General / Off-Topic The Covid vaccine must be mandatory ?

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Manfred Belheim

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Debateable. It's about "anti-vaxxers", a term which can seemingly be applied to anyone who doesn't want to get a vaccine, and the criticism has hardly been reserved for any "movement".

But if you're right, and it really isn't about just anyone who doesn't want to get vaccinated, then all is well and everyone can be happy :)
 

bangermsuk

bangermsuk
I'm not an anti-vaccine, i move house in between lockdowns, only problem has risen for many people like me, whom moved and told their doctors of address changed, only to be met with a wall of silence!. And say they are looking into it.

so don't condemn everybody to the wall of death and anti vac retrodict.

thankyou
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
bangermsuk said:
I'm not an anti-vaccine, i move house in between lockdowns, only problem has risen for many people like me, whom moved and told their doctors of address changed, only to be met with a wall of silence!. And say they are looking into it.

so don't condemn everybody to the wall of death and anti vac retrodict.

thankyou
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That's not an anti-vax thing that's admin difficulty when the NHS are overrun and operating on an emergency footing. I moved last Christmas when things were really bonkers, caught covid after one car load and had to isolate so the new village hall volunteers went shopping for us. So I joined the village hall volunteers and took people shielding their prescriptions on my days off. It messed up vaccination as it was when I was offered the first shot and you have to wait 28 days after being infected to get them by which time everyone except the refusers was done so I wound up on the "refused" list by sheer coincidental timing.

I sorted it out in person whilst passing a vaccination centre (admittedly an easy thing to do when you park your ambulance outside and offer to do a coffee run for the staff there) they gave me shot one on the spot and they popped me back on the list for the second shot which my GP organized.

Try your GP's e-mail system if you are still struggling.
 

Synkreto

Synkreto
Since we recently had a small "It's just the flu" outbreak in this thread, I thought I'd share this :

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The paper:

www.nature.com

Dysregulation of brain and choroid plexus cell types in severe COVID-19 - Nature

Single-nucleus transcriptomes of frontal cortex and choroid plexus samples from patients with COVID-19 reveal pathological cell states that are similar to those associated with human neurodegenerative diseases and chronic brain disorders.
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Sunyavadin

Sunyavadin
Synkreto said:
Since we recently had a small "It's just the flu" outbreak in this thread, I thought I'd share this :


www.nature.com

Dysregulation of brain and choroid plexus cell types in severe COVID-19 - Nature

Single-nucleus transcriptomes of frontal cortex and choroid plexus samples from patients with COVID-19 reveal pathological cell states that are similar to those associated with human neurodegenerative diseases and chronic brain disorders.
www.nature.com www.nature.com
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Love it when I get a side helping of neuropathy with my flu -_-
 

hairychris

hairychris
bangermsuk said:
I'm not an anti-vaccine, i move house in between lockdowns, only problem has risen for many people like me, whom moved and told their doctors of address changed, only to be met with a wall of silence!. And say they are looking into it.

so don't condemn everybody to the wall of death and anti vac retrodict.

thankyou
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That sucks.

I organized mine via the NHS website, and didn't go through my GP.
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
Vaccine passports getting closer. This would certainly make visiting the family easier for me and Mrs Stigbob.

Self-isolation for holidaymakers who have received two coronavirus vaccines could be scrapped as soon as August, a report says.

The Times reports that confirmation of the plan, which Health Secretary Matt Hancock has confirmed ministers are considering, is expected at the next international travel review on 24 June.

The rules change could see those who have been double-jabbed undergoing daily testing rather than quarantining before and after travelling to England from non-green list destinations this summer.
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Sunyavadin

Sunyavadin
Stigbob said:
Vaccine passports getting closer. This would certainly make visiting the family easier for me and Mrs Stigbob.


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Ah yes, "We're not doing vaccine passports, just waiving quarantine requirements for vaccinated travellers"

Classic UK government speak. "It's not PFI, it's an initiative for financing which happens to have privatised characteristics"
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
Sunyavadin said:
Ah yes, "We're not doing vaccine passports, just waiving quarantine requirements for vaccinated travellers"

Classic UK government speak. "It's not PFI, it's an initiative for financing which happens to have privatised characteristics"
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They don't want to mention the phrase "vaccine passport" in case it triggers more far right/anti-vax/anti-mask/5g conspiracy rallies. Introducing a vaccine passport whilst calling it something else is absolutely fine with me as long as it's a fully functional vaccine passport.
 

Robin of Spiritwood

Robin of Spiritwood
www.bbc.com

Coronavirus: JP Morgan bankers told to report vaccine status

US bank JP Morgan Chase will instruct US staff to register their vaccine status online this week.
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Wall Street giant Morgan Stanley's staff and clients will be barred from entering its New York offices if they are not fully vaccinated against Covid.
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Can't imagine this not becoming a pattern. Businesses based on risk assessment and run by elderly people will automatically default to safe practises.

The vaccinated customers won't be wanting to get exposed to additional risk. If there's an option to avoid hazards, in the short term, businesses will do better trying to get low risk customers in. Others might try to accomodate everyone, to max profits.

Hard to predict human behaviour, but the urge to revert to normality is powerful.
That poses a potential problem we can all see.
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
Robin of Spiritwood said:
www.bbc.com

Coronavirus: JP Morgan bankers told to report vaccine status

US bank JP Morgan Chase will instruct US staff to register their vaccine status online this week.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com


Can't imagine this not becoming a pattern. Businesses based on risk assessment and run by elderly people will automatically default to safe practises.

The vaccinated customers won't be wanting to get exposed to additional risk. If there's an option to avoid hazards, in the short term, businesses will do better trying to get low risk customers in. Others might try to accomodate everyone, to max profits.

Hard to predict human behaviour, but the urge to revert to normality is powerful.
That poses a potential problem we can all see.
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There's also the issue of being liable for anyone infected by your staff. Corporate insurance may well require vaccinated staff for cover in the future. In the same way you need less than six drivers licence points for roles like mine despite the standard being twelve.
 

Zetta

Zetta
VR - wickfut said:
Vaccine does not stop a person catching covid.
Vaccine does not stop a person spreading covid.
Vaccine does not stop a person dyeing from covid.
Vaccine has 1 in 1000 chance of inflicting bells palsy
Vaccine has left 8,430 Dead 354,177 Injuries

I've had covid so have antibodies. Not getting a vaccine.
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Not having a vaccine has left 3.7 million dead and 100s of millions hospitalised or otherwise affected.

Likewise, having antibodies from covid has a short duration, less than a year iirc.
 

Synkreto

Synkreto
Zetta said:
Not having a vaccine has left 3.7 million dead and 100s of millions hospitalised or otherwise affected.

Likewise, having antibodies from covid has a short duration, less than a year iirc.
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Am a dilettante, have no real expertise in this . Just reading a lot .

Afaik, its unclear . I seem to recall there is science saying [some] people do develop long lasting neutralizing immuntiy from natural infection . Not sure about the mechanism though . T-Calls are not guaranteed to grant neutralizing immunity iirc .
 

ianw

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VR - wickfut said:
Vaccine does not stop a person catching covid.
Vaccine does not stop a person spreading covid.
Vaccine does not stop a person dyeing from covid.
Vaccine has 1 in 1000 chance of inflicting bells palsy
Vaccine has left 8,430 Dead 354,177 Injuries

I've had covid so have antibodies. Not getting a vaccine.
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I don't think any of the above are in dispute apart from perhaps the death figures which even if true pale into utter insignificance compared to the figures below.

Not heard of the bells palsy chances thing either. What is clear is that the vaccine is massively reducing the infection rate and annihilating the hospitalisation and death rate.

Zetta said:
Not having a vaccine has left 3.7 million dead and 100s of millions hospitalised or otherwise affected.

Likewise, having antibodies from covid has a short duration, less than a year iirc.
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