North America Pack Dreams vs Nightmares Scenarios

Hello everyone! It is that time to continue this extended thought experiment and see what's going on in all of your heads as we think on the next dlc PZ will receive. If you're unfamiliar or need a refresher, I've been doing these since just before the announcement and release of the SEA pack. The rules are simple, just post what your dream NA pack and your nightmare NA pack would look like. This time, if you want to make one a 7 + 1 and the other a 4 + 1, go for it! There are no wrong answers on this thread, it's all about you as an individual.

As far as my predictions and wishlists, I got four SEA animals correct and four Africa pack animals (my top four for that pack) correct as well, though Animals packs weren't a known thing when I made my first post.

So, my dream scenario. I think for me, the most important thing about a NA pack is using it to showcase the diverse biomes and landscapes, especially ones found in the United States, just because I feel like that has the greatest variation. The animals I'd like to see represent the theme of diversity, while also making sure we get some animals whose absences have been notably felt.

Dream Scenario
  1. California sea lion (Aquatic, Temperate): As the most showcased pinniped in captivity, it was somewhat surprising that this animal was excluded from the Aquatic pack, but this is a perfect example to make up for that. This animal would do a great job of representing the Western Coastlines of NA.
  2. Mountain lion (Taiga, Temperate, Grassland, Tropical, Desert): This is the pinnacle of the diversity theme. Mountain lions are one of the single most adaptable mammals in the world, and though I generally think of them as a NA animal since that's where I'm from, the range all the way from Alaska and Northern Canada to the southern most tips of the Andes. As such, it could fit into many different themed areas in our zoos, but we'll just say for now that it's a great representative for NA's Mountains.
  3. American Alligator (Aquatic, Temperate, Tropical): As the most showcased crocodilian in captivity, it was somewhat surprising that this animal was excluded from the Aquatic pack, but this is a perfect example to make up for that. Haha, does that sound familiar? I think that's justification enough for it to be included, but also, don't discount the fact that it's a great way to show case the Southern Wetlands of the USA!
  4. Black-footed ferret (Grassland): This incredibly endangered animal is up there with the American bison and California condor in terms of amazing NA conservation success stories. Coming after the Africa pack, this should easily be able to use the Meerkat model/rig as a jumping off point. It's a small mammal, which is a huge plus, and might not be to well known outside of NA, so it's a great chance to introduce people to this wonderful little ferret. They do burrow, so they're the best candidate in my mind to actually be added. It also represents the Prairies of NA.
  5. Whooping Crane (Aquatic, Temperate, Tropical, Taiga): Like the ferret, this is another great example of conservation at work in NA. It adds another bird, which is well deserved representation. Ultimately it's conservation status and broader migratory range give it the edge over the roseate spoonbill to represent the Eastern Coastlines of NA.
  6. White-nosed coati (Desert, Temperate, Tropical): Though these animals have a broad range that stretches all the way down to the end of Central America, a significant portion of their habitat consists of arid desert in the Southwestern USA and most parts of Mexico. I know some people would probably rather see a peccary in this spot, but given the fact that we have two pig species already, I had to go with this far more unique omnivore to represent NA's Deserts.
  7. Eastern Moose (Aquatic, Temperate, Taiga): This particular animal is highly requested due to it being included in past zoo sim games such as ZT1 and ZT2. It would be just the second deer species in PZ, and would be able to showcase some fascinating diving behaviors as an fully amphibious mammal. One fun fact they could use is that aquatic plants actually make up a higher % of a moose's diet than a hippos! This particular subspecies is not the largest moose in NA, but it is the best choice to represent the Eastern Deciduous Forests!
  8. Tiger Salamander (Temperate Rainforest): We currently have no salamander or newt species in the game, and this dlc is a prime opportunity to fix that. I know that the alligator snapping turtle would be the most popular choice, but since the theme today is diversity of biomes, this is an amazing opportunity to not only give us a unique amphibian, but also a new exhibit biome that would be specific to just this animal. Super cool! It perfectly represents the Western Temperate Rainforests of NA!
Honorable mentions: Prairie dog (equally as likely as the black-footed ferret imo), American badger, arctic fox, gray fox, skunk, North American porcupine, American black bear, wolverine

Nightmare Scenario
  1. North American river otter
  2. American flamingo
  3. American alligator
  4. Desert or Rocky Mountain bighorn sheep
  5. Red eared slider
Basically a pack full of extremely similar animals to what we already have. In isolation, I like all of them, but all together plus in a restrictive 4 + 1 it's a terrible pack. I'm firm in the belief that NA should and will be an Animals pack, since we just got a ton of scenery in the Africa pack. What are all of your opinions?
 
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Dream: Animal pack
1. California Sea Lion
2. Moose
3. Wolverine
4. Coughar
5. American Beaver
6. Raccoon, Gray Fox or Nine-banded Armadillo
7. American Flamingo (sorry, I know its a "reskin" but I need it for so many zoos...superior colours!)
8. I am not familiar with many animals from NA that could be in terrarium, so...any.

Nighmare: 4+1+scenery
1. American Alligator
2. American Black Bear
3. NO sea lion (pls dont do this, I need them)
 
In a North American pack there are 3 non negotiables imo, those being the California sea lion, American alligator and either a moose or elk species. So don't worry too much @FoxyDee I highly suspect we'll get them.
I think you can add the Puma/Cougar/Mountain Lion too, big cats are always big sellers too lol, and it's an iconic specie. A North America pack without it would be so strange imo.
 
Screw it, let me in here.

Dream Scenario:

California Sea Lion
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Moose
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American Alligator (Enjoy the clipart, I wanted transparent consistency)
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Texas Longhorn Cattle
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Turkey / Grouse
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Manatee, damn right I'm petitioning for aquatic animals
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Bald Eagle (Think of it as a test of the flying mechanics we totally don't know is totally maybe not possibly coming ;D )
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And no exhibit animal. To hell with them!

Scenery would be animal signs obviously with inspiration from Northeast rustic art, see below:
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And screw it, 100 props. I don't care what they're based on, tack on an extra $5 and you've got the dream pack of my life. Deep swimming for Big Cats as well.

Nightmare, Eldritch Abomination, absolute-travesty, Geneva Convention-violating scenario:
Anything with the American Flamingo. That's my business, Frontier! It's my finest mod and there's no way you're going to take it from me! :p
 
Ok, let's see here:

DREAM
This pack would make me super happy and I, like Markiz said, could leave the forums happily

  1. Gray fox - a must for me, as they're my favorite living animal
  2. Puma - a classic zoo animal in NA, widespread from NA to SA
  3. American black bear - I know a "clone", but it's my favorite bear and recently they've come back into Texas
  4. American alligator - just plain cool to look at
  5. Raccoon/white- nosed coati/North American ringtail - any member of the raccoon family will make me happy
  6. Red wolf/coyote - red wolves are critically endangered, and it would be awesome to recreate their breeding program. But coyotes are iconic and I see them all the time
  7. White-tailed deer - common, I love to see them, a more deer-like deer than the reindeer
  8. Copperhead - they're basically rattlesnakes without the rattle

NIGHTMARE
Not necessarily a horrible pack, but I would be disappointed, especially since I want the following animals, just they'd have to release them differently for me

  1. California sea lion - I do like them, but they'd have to be in an animal pack or a 2nd aquatic pack
  2. Coyote - ironically on my dream list, but if they were here it'd be a waste
  3. American black bear - same as above
  4. North American otter - i love otters, and this is no exception, but this would be a horrible choice in a pack like this
  5. Any snake - same as above

Basically, any "clone" animals in a typical 4+1 DLC is a big NO for me
 
@Leaf Productions You know you brought up a few things I forgot to even mention myself. I would absolutely love a manatee, I mean if there's any hope of getting some type of marine animals, a manatee is surely on of our best bets.

Also, I totally forgot how well a bald eagle works. It doesn't even need an aviary system. In the US it's illegal to have captive bald eagles if they're healthy, so while many American zoos do have them, they're always rescued animals, and they rarely can fly. This means they're uniquely suited to be habitat birds, and could function similarly to how some zoos also showcase vultures in shared Africa habitats. The Cincinnati zoo for instance, has all of it's bald eagles in an outside yard since they cannot fly.

Here's a link to a picture that's too big for the forums to load.
 
Also, I totally forgot how well a bald eagle works. It doesn't even need an aviary system. In the US it's illegal to have captive bald eagles if they're healthy, so while many American zoos do have them, they're always rescued animals, and they rarely can fly. This means they're uniquely suited to be habitat birds, and could function similarly to how some zoos also showcase vultures in shared Africa habitats. The Cincinnati zoo for instance, has all of it's bald eagles in an outside yard since they cannot fly.
Yes. Houston Zoo has 2 on display in separate enclosures (unfortunately both females, so they can't breed them). Both are rescues, both cannot fly, so they're enclosures are open. But that's the US. I don't know the story in Europe, where I've heard they are kinda common
 
Dream: North America animal pack
1) Moose
2) California sea lion
3) Puma
4) American alligator
5) Racoon
6) Wolverine
7) Prairie dog
8) Axolotl

Nightmare: standard pack
1) American alligator (in a 7+1 is fine, in a 4+1 no thanks)
2) Coyote
3) White tailed deer
4) Spider monkey
5) Another bug or snake
 
Dream: Animal Pack
  1. California Sea Lion
  2. American Beaver
  3. American Alligator
  4. Moose
  5. Puma
  6. Raccoon
  7. Artic Fox
  8. Snapping Turtle
Nightmare: Classic pack with the American Black Bear

This would be mine except I'd replace the racoon and arctic fox with the armadillo, porcupine and/or the American flamingo. Just like Foxy said, they are really striking with their colours. I also think instead of the snapping turtle I'd put the axolotl instead. They are really interesting and different from the other amphibians we have in the game.

The nightmare would be the standard 4+1, and like a lot of you said, we really don't need another bear in the game. I hope we get as many animals as possible, but perhaps save the bear for one of the last "leftover" packs.

I wrote my nightmare for Africa pack would be no meerkats. That was an easy one, but seriously, I would be disappointed if we wouldn't have got them.
 
Dream:

Animal pack:
1. Puma
2. Moose
3. Beaver
4. California Sea Lion
5. Prairie dog
6. Wolverine
7. Nine-banded Armadillo
8. Tiger salamander

Nighmare:

4+1+scenery:
1. American Alligator
2. American Black Bear
3. Kodiak bear
4. River otter

I would like to leave a beaver and Wolverine for the European or Eurasian DLC.
 
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To add, I don't really have a "dream" North America scenario. Besides one or two key species (California sea lion, American alligator, two animals I'm familiar with in real life zoos) I'm open to anything really. I think the only animal besides those two that I really want is the nine-banded armadillo, mostly because it's small, represents the North American desert (as well as boosting South America), and it's pretty unique while also being relatively ubiquitous.

For an animal pack I guess I'd go with;
  • California sea lion.
  • American alligator.
  • Nine-banded armadillo.
  • Collared peccary.
  • North American cougar.
  • Moose.
  • Wolverine.
  • Mexican alligator lizard/scarlet kingsnake/Mojave desert tortoise.

Another North American animal I'd really like is the Mexican spider monkey, a critically endangered subspecies of the Geoffroy's/black-handed spider monkey, and one that features in a good number of zoo collections, but it's hard to say whether they'd withhold it due to the prehensile tail and unique animations associated with it.
 
Well here is my list :)

Dream: 7+1
1.-American Black bear ( sorry but I need them)
2.-American Aligator
3.-Puma ( I'd like it if they have all biomes because they lives in many biomes)
4.-White tailed Deer
5.-Bighorn ( I really love those animals)
6.-Canadian Goose
7.-Mustang ( I think that in the game need more equines )
8.-Any specie of Turtles

Nightmare: 4+1
1.-Any specie of canine
2.-Wolverine ( should be in other pack like the European pack)
3.-American Black Bear ( I wish that animal but in this pack will be a big disappointed)
4.-Beaver (
5.-Any bug
 
Okay this is fun, lets go with a nice animal dream pack.

My first two picks are the ones i want by far the most, as they are both small, burrowing creatures and would add something very unique to the game, while expanding on what we allready have.
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Both the black footed ferret and the präriedog would fit very nicely in our zoos as small animals, both being a first with the ferret being the first terestial marten and the prariedog being the first rodent in the game while still bringing way more utility and charm then just these classifications. They are both the best picks for their type of animal that america has to offer and i cant describe how much i would love building a prairies themed section in my zoo with them, the bison and the pronghorn.

When your dreaming go big or go home, so my third pick would be the spruce grouse, an aboreal grounddwelling bird that loves to climb around and would represent the northern taiga forests. The rational part of me says, they would pick the turkey, which would be totally fine by me and still an animal i would be very excited for, but damn i would love to have these cute chickens in the game.
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Personally i dont really "need" the cougar, but its just to iconic to leave out. Its living all over the americas and is a common zooanimal over there too from what ive heard so theres no reason for them not to be in the game. Also they are still a cute big cat, so could i really be disappointed?
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Same goes for the californian sea lion and moose, but with the moose the afterthought is pretty simple. I want more deer. I want red and fallow deer to be exact, any other would also be fine but they have homeland bonus and i suspect that if we dont get the moose for america we will get them in europe instead of one or both of the before mentioned deer. And that would suck, as we could really use a higher variety in deer and northern herbivores in general. But yes moose are great, they can swim, they can dive, they get eaten by orcas, lots of similaritys to the californian sealion, they are even both brown! Gotta make thouse too homies in a cross exhibit if they ever come out.
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But enough of common picks, lets go wild again and down to the dessert. Theres one charming animals i want, the peccari, another swine and a very unique one at that. They would be most similar to the equally not in the game wild boar and be a great pick. They would boost up the dessert animal count of the game and provide us with a very flexible animal, both for mixhabitat, themed habitat, being part of domes and houses or just being a random filler. So basicly everything. Lovely little buggers.
Then finally i would like to round the pack out with the raccoon, a true jack of all trades, master of none that lives everywhere from everything and is just really cute. I see them quite often in german zoos and they are just very distinct and fun animals with a lot of options similar to the peccari.
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So thats for my dream pack, but my hate pack isnt really that hard.
Its a boring predictable pack like cougar, sealion, alligator and american blackbear.
Its not bad persay, but i really wouldnt be excited for this collection of big carnivores and would really long for the smaller, the herbivores and everything thats not just another cat, bear and crocodile. The sealion is here not cause i hate it, but i really dont see them doing one with out them and personally i dont find them to exciting even though i agree that they should defenetly be added to the game.
 
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