Hope FDev didn't expect this CG competition to be close
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All fed is losing, not just Hudson, Many are in Winters section Not Hudson... so if they go exploitation of those will be elected....
IF all 4 systems go and its still NOT all 4 yet as it does require 3 tiers extra not just 2...
It will be even more simple for other systems to break away and show that Jupiter separation and now these were not a one off event..
IF all 4 systems go and its still NOT all 4 yet as it does require 3 tiers extra not just 2...
It will be even more simple for other systems to break away and show that Jupiter separation and now these were not a one off event..
Yes... but this is FDev deciding this, not the players. Hudson players didn't have a choice about the CG a few weeks ago that enacted new "surveillance", which is the excuse FDev is using for splitting off more Hudson minor factions. The reward for supporting Hudson was significantly better than the reward for supporting Winters, which means that 2 powers (including Hudson) would support Winters and 9 would support Hudson. The Hudson player base can't compete against those odds. I doubt any single or two powers could.
It's not a "Hudson vs Winters" fight here. As an independent pilot, I rarely do CGs involving any power.
In this case though, I fight against citizen surveillance and nothing else.
The only reward I need is the pleasure to obliterate feds with my Corvette !
In this case though, I fight against citizen surveillance and nothing else.
The only reward I need is the pleasure to obliterate feds with my Corvette !
I know it's not Hudson vs. Winters. The CG a few weeks ago was nominally a Hudson vs. Winters CG, but since Hudson winning was actually a bad thing for Hudson (but a good reward for players), it wound up being Hudson and Winters (on the Winters side) vs. Everybody Else (on the Hudson side). That's the issue. This CG is the same: it damages one and only one Power, so that one power now has to fight against the supporters of all other powers and all independents. So, Hudson is getting his butt kicked 7-1.It's not a "Hudson vs Winters" fight here. As an independent pilot, I rarely do CGs involving any power.
In this case though, I fight against citizen surveillance and nothing else.
The only reward I need is the pleasure to obliterate feds with my Corvette !
True, but this is something Hudson brought on himself by imposing citizen surveillance and send all the might of the federation against an independent faction that didn't agree with him.
Except there is no "Hudson": we Hudson supporters didn't get to elect Hudson and we didn't get a say in this surveillance thing until it was a 2 vs. 10 community goal. No power is going to win 2 v 10. (I'm including non-PP players in the 10.) The only way to get rid of "Hudson" would be for all of us Hudson supporters to defect en masse.
It's all FDev. They decided to write some lore without any consideration for how it would harm Hudson players. If this was just some movie we were watching, sure, fine, FDev should do whatever they want. It isn't a movie though: this affects (or even nullifies) the effort Hudson players have put in. This shouldn't happen to any other power, either.
Maybe removing Hudson is what FDev wants? If so, FDev should just say it, so we (people fortifying, undermining, and doing BGS for Hudson) can stop wasting our time.
It's all FDev. They decided to write some lore without any consideration for how it would harm Hudson players. If this was just some movie we were watching, sure, fine, FDev should do whatever they want. It isn't a movie though: this affects (or even nullifies) the effort Hudson players have put in. This shouldn't happen to any other power, either.
Maybe removing Hudson is what FDev wants? If so, FDev should just say it, so we (people fortifying, undermining, and doing BGS for Hudson) can stop wasting our time.
True again, and... and it's just a game, remember ?
Also I doubt what FDev has any desire to remove Hudson from the game.
The only issue of the CG will be that (at most) 4 systems will leave the federation.
It will (ahem... may?) just unfold some story later which can(?) be interesting (may be Hudson pull of the surveillance?)
Don't worry about it.
Just do your best in the CG and hope for your side to turn the odds.
Good Luck (and I sincerely mean it)
(Just to make you laugh, I got destroyed by the feds yesterday on my 1bn+ corvette yesterday, first time since I fought the thargoids more than 3 years ago
)The Federation is the largest playerbase in the game, and the vast majority of random Federal players will support the Federal president in a Federal CG without putting a lot of thought into it, same as the other superpowers. The possibility that the initial CG was somehow overwhelmingly brigaded by the other powers, uniting to support Hudson (and then to oppose him later) isn't at all realistic or logical. Hudson just won, in a CG that will have had the majority of its initial participants be Federal.
Your statements about Hudson remind me of something I saw an Imperial player say once, about the Marlinist crackdown. Something along the lines of "Why do Frontier keep portraying us as some authoritarian ****hole". And well...that's how it is right now. Frontier doesn't give a damn about the players idealized and propagandized vision of their "team". This is the reality, each of the powers has done and will do bad and stupid stuff. This stuff with the PDB and the systems wanting to leave is entirely on-brand for Hudson. I'm sure you'd prefer him to just reach out diplomatically and negotiate some deal that works out for everyone, but that's not how it works.
There is a Hudson, and this is what he's doing right now. You might not agree with it, and that's fine. He's losing right now, and that means that those actions you are opposed to will not succeed. So are you really losing? Since you appear to disagree with Hudson's actions, it'd be more of a loss for you if he won.
I wouldn't say the other powers "united" to support Hudson in the late-April CG. It's not like other powers needed to team up to achieve the victory. No, I would say FDev just encouraged players from other powers to support the Hudson side in the April CG by
If other players have pointed out they don't like FDev making bad decisions for their respective powers, maybe it's time FDev actually listened? Or maybe us players need to be more intelligent about boycotting lopsided CGs, so as to discourage FDev from doing these in the future.
- providing a double engineered KWS (that sounds nice until you look at the power demand) as opposed to a 2eng ECM (I don't know of anyone using an ECM) and
- making Hudson shoot himself in the foot if he won, which is an added bonus for anyone that wants Hudson to fall.
If other players have pointed out they don't like FDev making bad decisions for their respective powers, maybe it's time FDev actually listened? Or maybe us players need to be more intelligent about boycotting lopsided CGs, so as to discourage FDev from doing these in the future.
That's not what I meant. I'm not sure how I can put it better... players do not decide how someone in the lore acts. We see someone who we like, and choose to support them. But nobody is perfect, and so we diehard supporters of a person or faction will tend to overlook their flaws, sometimes to an extreme degree.
And then Frontier shows up with cold hard reality and it feels wrong.
The Imperial player was upset because he saw the Empire in it's most ideal form, and the authoritarian side that likes to conduct political purges didn't sit well with him. That wasn't FDev making a bad decision for the Empire, that was FDev writing in a realistic decision.
Maybe I should ask what you would have had Hudson do?
Let only Hudson and Winters players do the late-April CG. Then there'd be a way for Hudson players to show they don't want the surveillance to happen. Or that they really did want it to happen. There are unwritten rules I have been told to follow when doing PP tasks: play in open, no premium ammo, no healing weapons, etc. Maybe we need to add "don't take part in a power-vs-power CG unless you are with one of the two powers at the time the CG was announced" and "don't take part in a single-power policy CG unless you're with the power"?
Do you have any evidence that it wasn't Federal players who pushed Hudson to win? Whatever the opinions of your powerplay group, I'm sure you'll find there are a good number of Federal players who simply want their team to win, and either don't care about the rest of the lore, or just trust that Hudson = Good. You seem to really want to blame this on outside interference, but a superpower CG is always going to bring in the most support from that same superpower.
Are you sure it was Hudson players? All I have to go on are stats like number of control systems, etc. I don't have numbers of active players per power, nor do I have counts of how many players from each power contributed to the CG. If I look at control systems, Winters and Hudson have 126. All other powers have 582 control systems. That alone suggests there are more than 4.5 non-Fed players for every Fed player, otherwise the other powers wouldn't be able to maintain those systems. That doesn't include any of the players who aren't aligned to a power. Given how often I see people hating on the Feds/Hudson, I wouldn't be surprised if it really was 4 or 5 to 1. Add in the module rewards, there's even more encouragement to fight for Hudson, thus screwing him over. Just look at the first page of comments about that CG: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...to-increase-federal-surveillance-data.573553/
E.g., maehara: "That's not a finger on the scales for Hudson when compared to what Winters is offering, that's a bloody elephant."
E.g., maehara: "That's not a finger on the scales for Hudson when compared to what Winters is offering, that's a bloody elephant."
I think you're putting way too much emphasis on Powerplay, both in applying the opinions of your group to the wider Fed playerbase, and in estimating player support. Torval is effectively dead, yet still controls 32 systems. The larger a power gets, the harder it is to grow.
Also...just listen to what you're suggesting. All the non-Fed players came together to screw over Hudson by...supporting him in a CG? Based on the possibility that it would backfire down the line, rather than just helping Hudson enact his policies? That's absurd. Imagine trying to pitch that idea. Also, where the hell are they now?
Also...just listen to what you're suggesting. All the non-Fed players came together to screw over Hudson by...supporting him in a CG? Based on the possibility that it would backfire down the line, rather than just helping Hudson enact his policies? That's absurd. Imagine trying to pitch that idea. Also, where the hell are they now?
No, I'm not saying all the non-Fed players came together to screw over Hudson. I'm saying a lot of players fought for Hudson because it had the (significantly) better reward (e.g., maehara's quote above) and some players may have done it because the surveillance stuff looks really bad and might bite Hudson down the line. Even if the Hudson supporters wanted to fight the surveillance, there wouldn't have been a chance of winning.
Now there's the new CG. There's no reward favoring one side or the other. There's 700 players on the Hudson side, and 2800 on the Azaladshu side. Azaladshu has seven times the contributions as Hudson. That suggests that more people want to see Hudson hurt. (Yes, "suggests", not "proves".) That seven-to-one contribution ratio was there after less than a day and hasn't changed since.
Now there's the new CG. There's no reward favoring one side or the other. There's 700 players on the Hudson side, and 2800 on the Azaladshu side. Azaladshu has seven times the contributions as Hudson. That suggests that more people want to see Hudson hurt. (Yes, "suggests", not "proves".) That seven-to-one contribution ratio was there after less than a day and hasn't changed since.
Also the small detail that the outcome of this CG has absolutely nothing to do with Powerplay. Assuming the systems that may declare their independence are within his Powerplay sphere (I haven't checked), it doesn't matter to Hudson Powerplay whether systems they control are owned by Federal factions or not - only the faction type matters, and that isn't changing. (Hell, "favourable" for Hudson is Feudal / Patronage. and by definition they can't be Federal.) So to try and portray this as having any connection with Powerplay at all is a clear misunderstanding of how Powerplay works.