It might reach escape velocity, though.
Big Elite Streamers Giving Up On Streaming Elite?
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Or the player base dwindle down to such low numbers, that Fdev will just pull the plug. Why keep the lights on for a few hundred players?I find it funny that you suggest that in 6 months no-one (it is hyphenated, by the way) will be playing ED. (no-one being an inclusive, as you are aware, I'm sure)
Well, let's have a look at this...
I don't really watch Mal or Neo, but as Psyche and Bog are products of before the content drought and toilet paper wars of 2020, I think I can weigh in.
Why have these streamers stopped? Well, for Psyche, she started with Elite and moved into variety a while after getting partnership. Suffice to say, Elite's content was exhausted for her, and playing a game that you really don't want to play leads to burnout. So, with a solid viewerbase and partnership to show to sponsors / companies, she was able to move into other games pretty well. This keeps the field fresh for her. Plus, if you move into another category and keep 50%+ of your viewerbase then you're off to a solid start. Cult of personality and all that.
Boggy moved for pretty much the same reason - Elite had little to offer him after a while, but he found great success with Star Citizen. Now, if you're concerned about his short return, consider the title of his last Elite stream: "Update 5..is Odyssey saved? What's the replayability?" The key here is that Odyssey is implied to require saving and has replayability issues. Remember what we said about streaming a game that has nothing to offer you? It's death to your stream. No-one wants to watch people not enjoying a game.
Frontier can spend all the money they want on press kits (bowls of plants) with Arthur grinding his teeth over plant passports and Dahlia emailing keys like a woman posessed to raise awareness of a product, but if the game is unable to sustain higher numbers after the initial increase or keep the content creators they made famous then it's a reflection of the product more than anything else. Remember - streaming on a single PC (not a dual setup, mind) is a huge strain on the machine. Odyssey's poor performance is not conducive to this method.
FDEV do keep track of twitch numbers versus competing products (Will told me this back in the day) so it is one metric they keep an eye on. FDEV likes to bide its time and steeple its fingers like a villain waiting for a hero to enter their trap, but they don't actively engage in a cycle of feedback with the wider community. They consume feedback and produce based upon it in a linear fashion rather than actively using a cycle. There are many flavours of content creator, but FDEV like to stick to the ones that they know will be gentle with them. As an example, I've heard a few interviews with the CM team on streams, etc... under this new and improved umbrella of transparency, but I have yet to hear (and please, someone gimme a link if this has happened) anyone ask the hard questions. It's all "what are you doing to fix this?" and "what is that all about?" instead of "WHY has this happened?"
That's why Lave Radio, Psykit, etc... have been able to stick around - they've got Frontier's ear and have built /maintained relationships within the current CM team. For Bog and Psyche, the CMs they built relationships with have moved to other positions or companies so the relationship is no longer with people, it's with a business.
I take questions on this subject at twitch.tv/thehoneythief because I am a shameless narcissist.
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I get that bit, who would want to try to please a Yamiks, right?
But even the ones who have been gentle with them seem to be losing faith.
Look at ObsidianAnt, or D2EA. Two of their loyal streamers, even they have not fully moved on, just toned down the frequency on ED.
EliteWeek has said it in one of their last streams too: "I'm done protecting Fdev, I couldn't give a something about this anymore".
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The reaction of the content creators reflects the reaction of the majority of the community. A sense of being effectively scammed if you pre-ordered to begin with, being sold an unfinished product, a sense of resigned disappointment at the questionable 'upgrade' (it's at best a mixed bad) of the planet tech and the very little actual game play content that was added and of frustration at the doubling down on grind and the indifference that FDev has largely treated the community with it's communication policy.
Moving forward it really comes down to what FDev does. They could turn it around, like they have in the past, but the landscape has changed. While I don't believe that either SC or NMS are direct competition, they are close and both will sap at ED's player base, until ED is no longer commercially viable. My feeling is that FDev isn't really geared towards dealing this the problem as it too has changed over time, ED is no longer its core business, publishing multiple games is. Personally, I think they would be better off spinning it off from the main company, retaining majority ownership, but bringing in a separate investor and team to focus on it.
Total horse apples.
Majority of the community my Asp.
Scammed? The majority? You mean the game I'm playing for hours and hours a day is a con?
And the rest of the players I join of an afternoon or evening? And everyone else? All these people who are actually having fun and not spending their entire existence moaning on the forums?
SOME people are having problems. SOME people are exaggerating the effect on their lives/whole universe and SOME people are having apoplectic hyperbolic over reactions.
Ps the planet tech, other that a dash of texture repeats that to be honest I haven't seen yet but understand others do is fine.
Streamers are an entertainment medium. However it is a bit like reading the Daily Mail. If you believe everything they say, you're a buffoon. They're there to make money. They will take the shortest path to money. If their usual subject material attracts the negativity shown by a SMALL proportion of the community very loudly on here (and yes, it is SMALL) then no wonder they're parking it until everyone has put away the pitchforks.
For comparison, I tried NMS yesterday. Three crashes in 1 hour. 1 major graphical. Glitch. Star Citizen the day before... Won't even go there on how bugged it was. Elite? 4 to 6 hours of gameplay, no glitches, no bugs, all good fun.
The streamer/content creator stuff, I deffo take with a pinch of salt. (Aahahahahaha… salt!) Case in point, one of the mid-tier streamers (can’t remember who) defended Odyssey a few weeks ago, basically saying “yes, its not in a great state, but the community backlash in the forms of threats and hatred is disproportionate” and was immediately slaughtered. His next video was all about how FDev let everyone down, blah blah.
They want clicks, they want followers, and sensationalism sells.
I do pay attention to OA and D2EA - agree they’ve backed off a bit, although OA’s move to “sims in general but space stuff in particular” happened long before Odyssey came out. D2EA is definitely looking at Star Citizen more, but he’s quickly coming to the conclusion that its also riddled with bugs and issues as well.
They want clicks, they want followers, and sensationalism sells.
I do pay attention to OA and D2EA - agree they’ve backed off a bit, although OA’s move to “sims in general but space stuff in particular” happened long before Odyssey came out. D2EA is definitely looking at Star Citizen more, but he’s quickly coming to the conclusion that its also riddled with bugs and issues as well.
I'm saying that the grind that used to be in old school mmo is non-existent in ED
For what is worth, playing the game as it comes, without rushing it, has no grind.
Stuff is coming your way anyway, assuming you are not limiting yourself to a single activity and do that single activity excessively.
But if you try to rush it, then yes, you have to grind it.
I did that on my first Account, on XB. In 2 months i had a Cutter engineered (and some other 3-4 ships), 4bn credits (no mining whatsoever), and all the bubble engineers unlocked.
That involved some grinding. It was a choice and i'm not complaining. Actually i'm glad i had the choice.
My other 2 accounts took a more relaxed pace, both played for more than 2 months without unlocking a single engineer, but still keeping an eye at getting materials on every opportunity.
That means picking up leftover materials from pirates, scanning ships, fitting a wake scanner and scanning wakes while leaving the station and so on.
Sure, if you start the game today and you want to have a ship engineered in 1 week, it involves some really mindless grind.
Your choice.
But it's hypocritical to complain about grinding.
For what it is worth, for a content creator that is still having fun in Elite... As we have since day 1..
Try Hutton Orbital Radio. On the airwaves, on twitch and on YouTube (and most definitely on something). Of course, as an audio format, you won't get to see the game, but to do that you can just fire it up.
Plus bonus news is that we aren't and won't ever be monetised. Which means we are doing it just for the joy of it.
Source: https://youtu.be/TRu2GsYfm9g
Oh, and to help make you feel better everyone about content creators you normally watch not putting out stuff. Here's an excellent video. It is filmed from in game. Using the planetary tech. In Odyssey.
Source: https://youtu.be/Yewre--sGEU
Try Hutton Orbital Radio. On the airwaves, on twitch and on YouTube (and most definitely on something). Of course, as an audio format, you won't get to see the game, but to do that you can just fire it up.
Plus bonus news is that we aren't and won't ever be monetised. Which means we are doing it just for the joy of it.
Oh, and to help make you feel better everyone about content creators you normally watch not putting out stuff. Here's an excellent video. It is filmed from in game. Using the planetary tech. In Odyssey.
That's fair enough. I have no evidence to suggest it is the majority.
But to suggest that a significant percentage of the community does not feel scammed, or otherwise let down, would be a serious level of denial. You may be playing hours per day, but a lot of people are not. Many are still encountering bugs, some new, that make playing EDO unplayable. For example, as of the last patch, I've found that I can no longer navigate through the tabs in the messages, in VR, which essentially means playing with EDO is a non-starter.
And trying to dismiss this as SOME people, as if it is some tiny minority clearly doesn't match up with reality. The reviews would not be so overwhelming bad if it was only a tiny minority. I doubt the content creators would be seemingly jumping ship so blatantly if it was only a tiny minority. And while it's Summer and still early days, I doubt there would be such a drop in players if it was only a tiny minority.
But if you want to believe that like some cult member, then feel free, but then I suggest I would not be the buffoon here and avoid insulting other posters - people in glass houses, and all that.
Some != a tiny minority. Some is more than none and less than all. Some in my view is the grade below lots. Lots is smaller than most.
If I had meant a tiny number I would have used the word few.
I am happy referring to daily mail readers as buffoons in public. I am also happy referring to people who believe everything they see on streamers' broadcasts verbatim as buffoons.
Nothing was directed at you, nor other posters.
Regarding the cult thing. Yup. I'm on a mission from dog. #forthemug
Ps you're supposed to spell it with an N
From the number of likes (49, an unusually high number) this seems to be a very common perception!
Then if it is not few your dismissal of those people does not exactly help your analysis. Your argument appears to be little more than "anecdotally, I'm all right Jack, therefore everyone else who disagrees with me is clearly a Daily Mail reader brainwashed by the content creators", despite the backlash against the EDO release existing before the content creators began to turn their backs on it. Stamping your foot and demanding that everyone else is wrong isn't going to help the game.
I do find it vaguely funny though streamers dump ED and its wonky update...and play another broken game that essentially does the same things.
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You are misreading the text deliberately in order to foment an argument.
Conflating two separate sentences and then attributing meaning to them is incorrect.
"People who believe everything streamers tell them are buffoons" - point #1
"I'm ok, as are many people." - point #2 unconnected to point #1
"SOME people are NOT ok" - point #3 unconnected to point #1 and point #2
HOWEVER - you're suggesting that people who have problems are buffoons. Which isn't very nice. Might want to edit that bit.
All pigs are pink. I am pink. Therefore I'm a pig.
On another point - I've provided links to content creators who are putting out more than ever regarding Elite.
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I'm with Vingtetun.
There are a persistent minority of haters on the forums, some who have not played the game for a long time, who just play the forum game and not Elite.
The youtubers seem to attract the haters, if you read the comments on the video its all negative. Anyone who writes anything positive gets shot down. That rude person Elite Week was the worst. The tone and the content makes them unwatchable. Who wants to be fed that level of negativity unless your a masochist.
There are bugs in ED, some of which should have been sorted before full release. But the game is playable, i've been playing it, its been stable on my now getting old rig.
There are a persistent minority of haters on the forums, some who have not played the game for a long time, who just play the forum game and not Elite.
The youtubers seem to attract the haters, if you read the comments on the video its all negative. Anyone who writes anything positive gets shot down. That rude person Elite Week was the worst. The tone and the content makes them unwatchable. Who wants to be fed that level of negativity unless your a masochist.
There are bugs in ED, some of which should have been sorted before full release. But the game is playable, i've been playing it, its been stable on my now getting old rig.
Cheers!
By the way - don't suppose you've got some spare ionised gas lying around do you? I've got an excess of the compressed ones in trade from a bunch of base raids....
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