re: Statement on Harassment

[Ydiss]

We should ignore this statement - this is just pure manipulation. To not speak how they catched our money for bad product - now we will speak about polite
language. I'm disgusted. Arthur is just paid to serve such a manipulation, to redirect player's anger into other direction.

Someone stating that they won't tolerate personal abuse is just manipulating you?

 

[CMDR Von Abrahart]

I think Fdev misled players about the fact that the game was more likely a Beta after people payed for it. There i said it and i did not invoke insults, harassment, personal attacks, slurs, un substantiated comments, pre suppositions and of course Hitler.

 

[Ian Phillips]

Ok - got it.

So we are not longer allowed to post frustrations anywhere FDev controls - I mean a complaint against the game sometime has nothing to 'critique' you just need to call out the blatent mistake. For example a bug re-introduced at least 5 time over the life of the game (cough cough ammo auto-restock on wake) can't be critiqued more. And someone venting on social media about a very clearly dropped ball, but not calling anyone out specifically could be deemed 'harmful' and result in a perma-ban. Wow. Messaged received crystal clear. I just won't say anything but nice things about the game, that is how I interpret this. (and an honest fear of a ban for a post like this).

No, you obviously didn't get it.

Critique all you want. Call out the company, fine.
Target an individual dev or group of devs with abuse and you're gone.

Simple.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

Ok - got it.

So we are not longer allowed to post frustrations anywhere FDev controls - I mean a complaint against the game sometime has nothing to 'critique' you just need to call out the blatent mistake. For example a bug re-introduced at least 5 time over the life of the game (cough cough ammo auto-restock on wake) can't be critiqued more. And someone venting on social media about a very clearly dropped ball, but not calling anyone out specifically could be deemed 'harmful' and result in a perma-ban. Wow. Messaged received crystal clear. I just won't say anything but nice things about the game, that is how I interpret this. (and an honest fear of a ban for a post like this).

Complaining about the game is not 'abuse'. It wasn't before and it isn't now.

 

[Ydiss]

No, you obviously didn't get it.

Critique all you want. Call out the company, fine.
Target an individual dev or group of devs with abuse and you're gone.

Simple.

Their post actually proves itself wrong

"So I'm not allowed to criticise the game or I get banned? Got it!"

Says something critical of the game. Isn't banned.

Hopefully they do understand it now, though! Not wishing to be too sarcastic but I think that everyone who is fearful that they might accidentally abuse someone personally has learned from this thread that it's possible to do a whole bunch of arguing without resorting to that.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

No, you obviously didn't get it.

Critique all you want. Call out the company, fine.
Target an individual dev or group of devs with abuse and you're gone.

Simple.

It's amazing to me how many people are struggling with this basic concept.

Must be fun being a mod

 

[Rat Race Choir]

I'm sure all the people professing to not understand where the line is between criticism and abuse are perfectly capable of not getting fired or punched in the face for things they say in person to another human.

 

[Fenwe]

I'm sure all the people professing to not understand where the line is between criticism and abuse lies are perfectly capable of not getting fired or punched in the face for things they say in person to another human.

yep.

 

[Ydiss]

I'm sure all the people professing to not understand where the line is between criticism and abuse are perfectly capable of not getting fired or punched in the face for things they say in person to another human.

13 pages in and no one has been banned for personally attacking anyone despite all the arguments about not knowing how to avoid attacking someone. Perhaps we're all pretty good at this avoiding personal attacks

 

[Fenwe]

13 pages in and no one has been banned for personally attacking anyone despite all the arguments about not knowing how to avoid attacking someone. Perhaps we're all pretty good at this avoiding personal attacks

LOL!

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

I'm sure all the people professing to not understand where the line is between criticism and abuse are perfectly capable of not getting fired or punched in the face for things they say in person to another human.

Maybe they're not?
Maybe they get punched in the face all the time and the ED forum was their last 'safe space'. That would explain why they're so cranky.

 

[JeffRyan]

Target an individual dev <snip> and you're gone.

Simple.

Obviously, except TJ though.

 

[Ydiss]

LOL!

I mean, call me sarcastic but isn't that a pretty valid point?

 

[Christopher Roberto]

So Odyssey is a big enough disaster now that ban threats are a thing, huh?

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

So Odyssey humanity is a big enough disaster now that ban threats are a thing, huh?

FTFY

 

[Murfelton]

So people are now just discovering that private companies routinely have policies to stop harassment? Nobody reads Codes of Conduct or Terms of Service anymore?

 

[Ydiss]

So people are now just discovering that private companies routinely have policies to stop harassment? Nobody reads Codes of Conduct or Terms of Service anymore?

Apparently, so. They've somehow managed to avoid getting a temporary ban for years but now that it's changed to a permanent ban, they've decided it's time they understood better how to be considerate to others on the basis that it's the right thing to do and they're demanding extended lessons, from Fdev, on how to avoid harming others with words.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

So people are now just discovering that private companies routinely have policies to stop harassment? Nobody reads Codes of Conduct or Terms of Service anymore?

Someone will be along in a moment to claim that FDev didn't abide by the Terms of Service when they released an unfinished product.

 

[photomankc]

13 pages in and no one has been banned for personally attacking anyone despite all the arguments about not knowing how to avoid attacking someone. Perhaps we're all pretty good at this avoiding personal attacks

(When we want or better HAVE to be)

 

[Ydiss]

(When we want or better HAVE to be)

It's just so ambiguous though!

On one hand, I'm expected to be a decent person, state my negative feedback politely, be considerate for others, feel free to argue but do it respectfully and so generally be a decent human being and on the other hand I'm expected to not target someone personally and abuse them, harrass them or attack them directly or wish them or their families harm. How can I tell the difference???


Yes, sorry... very sarcastic. Sorry!