Fair enough. I reckoned cause you kept diverting to stuff I wasn't interested in.
Oh? You think Frontier works in ways you just described?
"Elite Dangerous is dying"
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The thing that made Frontier what they are today - isn't that rather theme park sims?
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I was responding, not diverting. Pointing out where documentation would have made sense in the scenario I proposed might not interest you, but then you're not really engaging in a discussion, are you?
You clearly didn't read initial my post on the subject properly. I can see why you don't think much of documentation.
Maybe my memory fails me, but up until ED, I'd barely ever heard of FD. The park sims came after.
Oh, on that I agree.Partly trueIn the 80s, 90s, 20s, code management was a timely affair, documentation took last place to everything else. Now in the 2020s we PMD built into IDEs which help greatly in the management and documentation of code.
I don't think Frontier works without said development process though. Of course there are fossils, but they never had come this far.
Nope. That was kinda their bread and butter since 2003. Roller Coaster and Zoo Tycoon is their baby.
Must have missed that breakthrough. I guess that must have been what put them on the map and made them go public.
I think the long term survival of Elite (or at least the multiplayer heart of game that many of us know and love) is dependent on the community. It feels a bit like that thing with currency ... it's value is not intrinsic but somewhat dependent on perception. If everyone believes it's dying then it could easily die. To that end, although I appreciate this is the current hot topic I do wonder if the big content creators are at least partly responsible for killing Elite by posting their "Is Elite Dying" videos. The game itself has all sorts of bugs and issues but it's far from terminal if people are prepared to get on and enjoy what works and be patient that fixes for what doesn't will come in time.
It certainly wouldn't be a only niche spacesim game but rather a pipeline of projects ranging from ED, Zoo, Jurassic and roller coaster stuff.
Exactly, people don't read it anyway
^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS
Those of us who do post positively about the things we, personally, find 'good' about the game, in particular the recently released DLC, tend to find that a few others suggest that we are not in possession of a full picnic set...
Surely you have noticed these overreactions to comments here? I can say something is fine, provide screenies to support my opinion, and be told I have no idea what I'm talking about... I've seen the same happening to others too...
It isn't the positive players who are 'killing the game' - maybe it is the ones for whom progress isn't what they expected, or changed the game in a way they disliked?
Content creators & Influencers (by one of the very popular, respected, CCs own admission) are provided with metrics from Google from "millions of sources", of what is hot and what is not, ED is not hot currently, so these very same folk are following the trend given them by Google. Gosh, perhaps Google wants to kill ED!
People are not negative out of nothing. And CC will follow their community for various reason.
You don't blame the coughing when someone die of some disease.
Odyssey is plagued with numerous issues. Currently, all we have is that some will get fixed sometime in the future, at least a few months.
Many have not even been acknowledged as issues.
And yes, if what I consider major issues are not fixed, then the game is dead to me. And many people will think that way (either on those issues or others). And if enough people think that way, then the game is dead altogether.
Also, I'll add that the Odyssey release was misleading, most likely on purpose. Posting new requirement 24h before release when you said it would be unchanged ? Planet gen in pre alpha footage/alpha game vs reality ?
You deserve what you sow.
I paid for this :
This is what I get :
They put "ingame footage" on video that are nowhere near the quality we had. They sold that stuff.
Now, maybe for you it's good, maybe it's even better. To me it's not. In any case it's misleading.
Will it die? I mean maybe. In the meantime it is absolutely bleeding players. They put this game on maintenance mode for YEARS, with most of their Devs working in the DLC...and the DLC leave ALOT to be desired.
A very good example of the point I was making is found here:
forums.frontier.co.uk
I'll confess. I haven't logged into Horizons since Odyssey dropped until now....
Apalar 6 - near the Toussaint Engineering Base. there I was merrily shooting pirates and scavs and skimmers and robbing the place. Had to move away from the base so I could recall my ship at the end. I made a mistake. I fell in a crevasse and being an icy world - that was it. Couldn't drive...
People aren't watching the Elite CCs because they've lost interest in Elite. That's not the CCs fault. CCs will just start to produce videos and stream games that draw in viewers and subs/donations.Content creators & Influencers are provided with metrics from Google from "millions of sources", of what is hot and what is not, ED is not hot currently, so these very same folk are following the trend given them by Google. Gosh, perhaps Google wants to kill ED!
Elite's already dead for me.
For the last couple of years, I've been playing NMS, X4, Evochron Mercenary (amongst several others), and recently just started exploring Star Citizen. It's wrong to say there are no alternatives available. What there isn't is anything exactly like E: D, but if you're happy with E: D in its current state, why would you want something else exactly the same?
The point of games is to have fun. E: D isn't fun, it's just grind & work... with the eventual reward being... more grind and work. Don't forget to BUY ARX so you look good doing it. Or did, until they broke that part too. FDev are incapable of adding gameplay into E: D that isn't grind and work, which is probably why they're uninterested in ship interiors and like to tell us that we aren't either. Because they can't figure out how to add grind and work into it. "Gameplay loops". Clue is in the name, but to Frontier, it means something different to what you think it does.
It becomes a form of self-abuse after a while unless you recognise it and just cut the ties.
"But those games don't have a real galaxy!"
Erm... where are Lave and Leesti in the night sky again?
"But muh flight model!"
Again, anything but realistic. You don't have fighter pilot physics in space. Nor should you - it's a game. Supercruise is hardly realistic in any way. X4 is literally just as good... and it has FA off too (if you're into that).
Different does not mean worse.
2000+ hours in E: D spread across two platforms and 7 accounts, but have absolutely no desire nor inclination to ever fire it up again. It was over when fleet carriers launched, and Odyssey was just kicking the dead donkey.
Odyssey was uninstalled in the first week. Contemplating whether to uninstall the base game or not... it's wasting valuable space that can be used for other space games.
For the last couple of years, I've been playing NMS, X4, Evochron Mercenary (amongst several others), and recently just started exploring Star Citizen. It's wrong to say there are no alternatives available. What there isn't is anything exactly like E: D, but if you're happy with E: D in its current state, why would you want something else exactly the same?
The point of games is to have fun. E: D isn't fun, it's just grind & work... with the eventual reward being... more grind and work. Don't forget to BUY ARX so you look good doing it. Or did, until they broke that part too. FDev are incapable of adding gameplay into E: D that isn't grind and work, which is probably why they're uninterested in ship interiors and like to tell us that we aren't either. Because they can't figure out how to add grind and work into it. "Gameplay loops". Clue is in the name, but to Frontier, it means something different to what you think it does.
It becomes a form of self-abuse after a while unless you recognise it and just cut the ties.
"But those games don't have a real galaxy!"
Erm... where are Lave and Leesti in the night sky again?
"But muh flight model!"
Again, anything but realistic. You don't have fighter pilot physics in space. Nor should you - it's a game. Supercruise is hardly realistic in any way. X4 is literally just as good... and it has FA off too (if you're into that).
Different does not mean worse.
2000+ hours in E: D spread across two platforms and 7 accounts, but have absolutely no desire nor inclination to ever fire it up again. It was over when fleet carriers launched, and Odyssey was just kicking the dead donkey.
Odyssey was uninstalled in the first week. Contemplating whether to uninstall the base game or not... it's wasting valuable space that can be used for other space games.
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I will say that there is nothing stopping the people who still love Elite from making their own videos and streams. They may even get a station named after them if they're obsequious enough.
Its a case of always promising but never really delivering. At some point all that is going to come back and it has.
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