that's why I stick around, it certainly is not the Kumo Burgers
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and thankees, all of you, you have kept me saner than a lot of people recently!
you know one can actually visualize 4th dimension with a little trick. In experiments with artifical life forms we normally put them on the surface of a torus. Cut and flattened out this is a 2d rectangle, where the upper side is connected to the lower side and the left to it's right side. They are still on a 3d torus, but it is represented by a 2d rectangle. So now we can add a 4th dimension to it and even visualize it, because the representation is just 3d cube (if we limit the extend of the 4th dimension). Now were we have a 3d cube of a limited size, we can add a 5th dimension by using a string of such cubes. Now moving in the 5th dimension is a jump from a position in one cube to the same position in an adjacent cube. We can add a 6th dimension, and have now a plain of cubes. And as well a 7th dimension, which would form a 3d space filled with limited size cubes, which themselves represent 4d spaces. And it can still be visualized using just 3d perspective.
If you limit the extend of the 5th to 7th dimension you can add further 3 dimensions to it and still represent them just using 3d perspective. limiting those 3 dimensions as well, allows to add another 3 dimensions and so on.
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it is cool is it not?
it was this sort of stuff that led me to "straightlining" as a mode of transport, and the concept that cetacian minds are more in tune with this sort of thinking naturally, but as mammals, we could communicate in common terms as well... those that chose the better adapted but far more alien minds of cephalopods were soon driven insane by the act of travelling in such a ship
otherwise it was a pretty straightforward scifi rpg
well, we wanted to find out how evolution behaves if there are more than 3 dimensions - we actually found out, that the quickest evolution happens, when species are in a limited space which is basically a surface - 3d creatures on a 2d surface. And if you look at nature on earth, where did it evolve best - near hydrothermal vents on the ocean floor - basically a limited 3d space on a surface - then near the surface of the ocean and on land mostly as well on the surface. All creatures which would have to evolve from the start in a vast 3d space, would evolve slower and the more dimensions one adds, the slower it gets.
This experimental result basically speaks against higher life forms in higher dimensions - they didn't have enough time to evolve.
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that makes a lot of sense, from an evolutionary point of view, proliferation happens only after bottlenecks, then a stasis state of gradual and slower evolution happens, where there is less environmental pressure.
Good luck.
And a lot of persistence - keeping your mind in check can be tiresome, but don't worry - IF we are in any way alike, choosing consciously what you believe/disbelieve and tracing the consequences of every choice on your inner world / how your brain works / reacts to different experiences can even become fun later.
See it as necessary climbing before fun ride
I have corrupted my therapist with China Mieville, Neil Gaiman and Saki (the author, not the drink)Good luck.
And a lot of persistence - keeping your mind in check can be tiresome, but don't worry - IF we are in any way alike, choosing consciously what you believe/disbelieve and tracing the consequences of every choice on your inner world / how your brain works / reacts to different experiences can even become fun later.
See it as necessary climbing before fun ride
Mine look very much like Sean Astin (the Goonies, lords of the ring's Sam, amongst other roles). Needless to say it's kinda disturbing^^
YOU and only you keep yourself sane.
If you are in bad phase, like now, you need some positive feedback to trigger this ability.
Once you grow stronger, you will realize, you don't need ANY feedback anymore to keep your mind in check, what makes you also immune to negativity.
You'll notice this after it becomes part of you, it's hard to believe in when you are not there yet, but this is the way.
Forward. Slowly. Less drama, more persistence.
why would you assume bottlenecks wouldn't exist in higher dimensional space assuming it exists?
bottle necks exist in 1 dimension and 2 dimensions on 2d surfaces, and bottle necks exist in 2 dimensions and 3 dimensions in 3d space . Because the things that such "creatures" would require to live and evolve, exist in that same dimensional space that they do. So the idea that higher dimensions have access to infinite lower dimensions doesn't have any impact on the evolutionary stress the being is faced with.
bottle necks exist in 1 dimension and 2 dimensions on 2d surfaces, and bottle necks exist in 2 dimensions and 3 dimensions in 3d space . Because the things that such "creatures" would require to live and evolve, exist in that same dimensional space that they do. So the idea that higher dimensions have access to infinite lower dimensions doesn't have any impact on the evolutionary stress the being is faced with.
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in other words, a 5d being would be under no different evolutionary constraints than a lower dimensional being assuming those dimensions can support anything that would be recognizable as life.
at least not from the scenario where environmental constraints of scarcity and limits are fostering evolution.
So no difference in time to evolve or whatever. You know, assuming a higher dimensional being would even experience time seeing as how time is so intrinsically linked to movement in 3dimensional space
at least not from the scenario where environmental constraints of scarcity and limits are fostering evolution.
So no difference in time to evolve or whatever. You know, assuming a higher dimensional being would even experience time seeing as how time is so intrinsically linked to movement in 3dimensional space
this makes sense as soon as you have recombination - less though with just mutations. Recombination has a feature, which makes it great. It creates high variety very quickly if the difference in advantages are low, but as soon as larger advantages appear, it narrows the amount of species down and the new features will be distributed more quickly to all for which it is advantageous. So what you call a stasis state, is actually very active, it creates a high variety, just the advantages are tiny and it takes a while for the right features to recombine to create a big advantage - this narrows down the amount of species quickly and an evolutionary "jump" seems to happen very quickly. this is without natural disasters already like this - with disasters it is less predictable what will happen, but it creates that bottleneck, you mentioned, which has the same function (narrowing the amount of species very quickly) by other means.
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Higher dimensions without bottlenecks would be plain useless waste of yyyy spacetime(?).
I mean, what's the point of expanding/progressing to higher realms, if this was missing there?
My brain just melted out of my ears reading all of that...!
I donated my blood earlier today. I feel light in the head still. I didn't even try