More like when do they make a game with what zhey have instead of wasting years doing impossible concepts.
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That's what most of us are hoping anyway... him sat in some council flat in Manchester with a laptop, 2Mbps broadband and shyte WiFi. Things might be looking up for Star Citizen after all
I can't be arised to make a meme, so here's the script for one:
Saruman- "If we get the licence from CryTek, then SC will be released...."
Wormtongue- "Even if we got the licence, it would take a number of developers beyond reckoning, thousands, to develop the game..."
Saruman- "Tens of thousands"
Wormtongue- "but my lord there is no such force"
<War horns blare from the amassed army>
You can cast the characters as you see fit and just hope nobody ends up with a dagger in their back
Those pipelines really coming along nicely these days.
I'm sure the content floodgates will open soon!
I'm sure the content floodgates will open soon!
Are you saying FD have introduced 64 bit forum page numbers?
Are you saying FD have introduced 64 bit forum page numbers?
Never been done before!
Yeah, they are working on all this stuff -- I even said they've made engine improvements that were NYI or weren't pre-baked into the branch of CryEngine they are using. And yes, ANY game will see better speeds with faster drives and cores; my point was not that Star Citizen can't do it or doesn't have those things, it's that in CE 3.7/8 programming to utilize those more modern standards properly becomes a huge chore and a development drain, unlike something with it all baked in like UE5 (for example, engines built with SSD speeds only in mind can do things with texture memory and its allocation that older engines can't do, unless they come up with their own engineering solutions).
The branch of CryEngine they are using is over half a decade old and cracking it open to make it perform like a modern engine takes a tremendous amount of work.
I guess my whole point was: trying to make an off-the-shelf engine behave properly with itself can sometimes be an issue. When you decide to rewrite dozens of core systems it can be a huge development drain and ultimately the engine might not work the way you want it to.
And I should also mention that SC isn't competing with the currently batch of released titles (unless you count ED I guess lol), they are competing with future titles because who knows when SQ42/SC will actually be released. They'll have to look as good as a release from 2022 or 2023 or 2026 or whenever and - more importantly - it will have to perform similarly.
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What CIG do is say what they are going to do. More to the point, have they done it?
Are they using SSDs, or really using SSDs? Multithreading is older than any of us. What WotG means, I think, is that newer engines are simply better at it than CIG's frankengine.
So if you make it to the bed, to logout, the cargo stays with you, etc, but if you get disconnected or shutdown while flying, you lose the stuffs? That seems like a very good tip, if you're doing cargo.They do have bed logouts in the ships which works similar to logging out on a planet in ED, remembering where you were etc. Sometimes it works flawlessly...sometimes it doesn't. With only having the one system though, there's little need for anyone to use it
The AskaGameDev guy seems to rate CIG's work with SSD streaming:
Which is interesting, because he absolutely does not rate CIG or what they're doing more broadly
Dunno if it's exactly his field (he seems to be in animation programming primarily), but seems totally possible they could be doing decent work there on the SSD side. (Although the recent fan assessment suggests it's probably still a bottleneck right now).
Still leaves the question hanging of whether they can franken-engine everything together into a launch product before SSD streaming becomes ubiquitous / further refined though
Because WotG knows that UE5 has a better raymarching than SC ?
Or that the way UE5 handle SSD is better than the way SC handle it ?
Does WotG have proof of what he says or is it just his intimate conviction ?
UE5 absolutely handles nearly everything better than CryEngine 3.7/8; from memory and texture allocation, raytracing, core use, spatial sound effects...I...I don't even know why we are arguing about this.
I'm not saying CIG can't improve or hasn't made improvements to the engine. It's just that doing so is extremely costly, in both money and time. I don't know how this is even remotely controversial.
In 2015 they announced they'd switch to DirectX12. In 2017 they announced they were not going to do that, but instead would go for Vulkan. Almost half a decade later that is pretty much still the current state of affairs. Last I heard there was a tentative goal of having parts of the rendering kinda operational in some version at the end of 2021, without major performance gains or noticeable benefits for the end user at that stage. Whatever that even means.
Its peak CIG: just keep kicking the can down the road, and once it gets too silly replace it with a new can and continue kicking. At some point anticipating the imminent arrival of the One Patch becomes closer to religion than serious game developmet discussion.
You think outdated Cryengine magically keeps up to date with current engines? How?
The Magic Germans of course!
There is nothing magic about Germans, I can tell you that.
Because CIG have heavily modified the core of CE and you can't say anymore that they are using the native CE you talk about. All you say is true for the native CE, not what SC use now. The native CE for instance doesn't have 64 bits positioning, nor asset streaming, nor was cleaned from LUA, etc.
Because some of those magic germans (like Paul Reindell) were former employees at Crytek and worked on the engine.
Are you suggesting that CIG shoveled (and continue to shovel) time and money into making CE do something that an active/non-legacy engine can do today, without
By improving it. UE5 is UE4 improved. Red Engine 3 is Red Engine 2 improved. Why do you think that CIG can't do it ? They don't have enough money, time or employees to do it ?