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Lysette

Lysette
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Well, for some people being totally honest and straightforward can be... countereffective in socializing.

Just imagine some of my "honest remarks":

"I'm not saying anything, because actually I don't care about and you are worthless to me, you so my brain is not giving me any content I could start with"

"I know I am currently charming and it seems to work on you as intended, but you should know it's probably just because you seem to be an "asset" worth investing some effort in getting to like me better - I am usually not like this.
It's not even like I am acting, my subconsciousness is making all the work switching me to a "mode" optimal for given circumstances.
And I feel like I should listen to your babble, because it's obvious you like to be listened to, so let's continue: you were saying?"

And a lot of "one liners" that appear in my head as the 1st answer to some usual "daily routine" questions you hear every day like
"anything else?", that are not really worth citing.

Many of them are obscene, as my mind seems to serve me some kind of ribald stand-up comedy narration in the background occasionally.

So, it's not like being NOT COMPLETELY honest is much of a choice, it's more like "surviving" instinct to those with... cocky, impudent verbal part of internal world.
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But something like I mention is clearing the playing field in a way - he knows now, that he has no joker in his sleeve by default, but I'm willing to play and it might even be enjoyable in the end for the both of us, if we both put in some effort. If he is offended by it though, well, then I know that my first impression has been right and I can avoid spending more time on him - which increases my chance to meet the next person which might be helpful.
 

Just

Just
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So, I'm done unlocking engineers.
The two I have still locked have no mods that I can't make at some other, already unlocked engineer.
 

Bottom Hat

Bottom Hat
thelion said:
Bloody lardy de da, you don't have to lord it over the rest of us scum with your access to bovine secretions.

Bloody toff.
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I'll have you know that collecting milk bottle tops is something all the cool kids do old bean!

Horse372 said:
on topic:

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You sunk my battleship!

CMDR Sheehy said:
Can you please not be winding up Ender, me hearties!
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But it's too easy and the results are amusing!

Erei said:
I paid it with a bunch of fake virtual money I bought ages ago. Something called bitcoins. Must not be worth much nowadays.
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I tried with the variety of bitcoins that I got from my ex, but they had an extra "ch" in the middle of the name - no wonder FD didn't accept them!
 

Just

Just
Lysette said:
But something like I mention is clearing the playing field in a way - he knows now, that he has no joker in his sleeve by default, but I'm willing to play and it might even be enjoyable in the end for the both of us, if we both put in some effort. If he is offended by it though, well, then I know that my first impression has been right and I can avoid spending more time on him - which increases my chance to meet the next person which might be helpful.
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Well, I think I can think of similar situations in my life, only it was more like :

"When I met you I instantly had the impression you are an bottomparthole / female dog.
Now I know I was... right, but we will get along well, and I find your attitude is an amusing way to go through life."

It took a special breed of people to handle this "statement" after pretty short time of "getting to know" each other and not get triggered nor infuriated, and I only met a handful of such persons. Mostly women.
They were kind of evil/twisted inside, but not aggressive nor toxic, they just got this "by chance" and have to deal with it through rest of their life.
I guess I could say it was kind of "soul mate" instant connection.
 

Lysette

Lysette
Just said:
Well, I think I can think of similar situations in my life, only it was more like :

"When I met you I instantly had the impression you are an bottomparthole / female dog.
Now I know I was... right, but we will get along well, and I find your attitude is an amusing way to go through life."

It took a special breed of people to handle this "statement" after pretty short time of "getting to know" each other and not get triggered nor infuriated, and I only met a handful of such persons. Mostly women.
They were kind of evil/twisted inside, but not aggressive nor toxic, they just got this "by chance" and have to deal with it through rest of their life.
I guess I could say it was kind of "soul mate" instant connection.
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you know, a lady just smiles hearing that - thinking "you don't know yet, that you are playing with the praying mantis".
 

Rat Catcher

Rat Catcher
Darth Ender said:
it's not that there is not things people could do to ignore the parts of the game that are bad currently and that they're just failing to do so which makes them unnecessarily angry.

it's that for most people, buying odyssey meant an expectation of release level functionality for feet on ground gameplay within the elite dangerous game and the rather conservative expectation that the hallmarks of the game would exist as such into the expansion at the least and ideally improve on them.

what they got was not that. They got a beta that likely wont deliver that release level DLC until the end of the year. Yea, they could do the things less impacted ..but they shouldn't have to avoid the things the odyssey dlc specifically sells... because its actually not done yet. They shouldn't have had to wait for months while it got even as functional as it currently is. And the people who chose not to shouldn't have been negatively impacted the way they were by the release either (as odyssey has introduced regressions in horizons as well as mucked up the bgs cycles and states or changed the behavior in ways that were not warned about - leading to players unsure if things are bugs or working as newly intended).

there's a whole lot to be miffed about, and an actual majority are. Which is an entirely new thing for elite dangerous, as the miffed people used to always be a minority of players. odyssey definitely pushed that scale passed that critical point.
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Let's look at it without emotional baggage... It makes great reading but is lacking in substance.

Alpha: Throughout the 6 weeks or so those 'testing' the massively neutered version of EDO were being told that what we had was an old branch of the software and unfinished 'New Planetary Tech' - of which the finished version would be in the release. Performance in alpha was poor and a massive amount of feedback over this was provided to Frontier.

The EDO expansion released (yes, despite the pettiness of this forum, it has been classed as release) with both performance and planetary tech in a worse state than the alpha (obvious as my hardware remains the same in the released version as the alpha - therefore poorer performance is down to the released code, nothing else)

The released expansion is completely unable to run acceptably on the published minimum spec PC - and unlikely to be acceptable on the recommended spec.
(Yes, there were many refunds demanded and the average 'foaming at the mouth' player still continues to behave as if they were mortally harmed by a piece of entertainment software with unexplained issues on release)

Frontier offered no explanation why the released expansion had worse performance than the alpha, nor why the 'final' release of planetary tech displayed effects previously unseen - obvious tiling of assets on some bodies.

Messages were offered us by the CEO - but lacking in content or even a vague explanation why things were so poor.

There followed a few comments designed to placate but did anything but - until the promise was made to 'fix' the problems - although none was offered on planetary tech bar it being suggested that the isse was 'tough'!

The BGS has been 'adjusted' so many times in the past with unexpected results, or at least unpredictable results, that Odyssey may not be entirely to blame, but certainly assisted in the current state as efforts were made to salvage the decimation of Anarchy owned assets apparent immediately following release.

I'm not entirely certain that your claim of "an actual majority" of the players are miffed, from what I've read in the forum there is a very vocal group complaining whose numbers are not particularly large - yes steam has had massively negative reviews - I've even read a few hundred of them - but here, try counting the numbers actively complaining, including yourself, of course - as continual snipes against Frontier are your stock in trade apparently - they are not a majority.

Will Odyssey eventually perform well enough to run on a potato PC and last generation console? Probably, but at a cost to fidelity to make it overall a poor experience I'd be tempted to think.

On an emotional level I admit to hilarity with the behaviour of some people over a piece of entertainment software with serious issues, even purchased at £30 it is less than the cost of a meal for 2 in a mediocre restaraunt ( or 3 in a fast-food joint) and at least, in the fullness of time, should work as intended.

Frontier either had something dramatic go amiss with the 'trunk build' at the 11th hour, or were purposefully misleading players... I'm hoping it was the first.
 

Just

Just
Lysette said:
you know, a lady just smiles hearing that - thinking "you don't know yet, that you are playing with the praying mantis".
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Oh I knew, that was the point.
And I remember watching one of my femme fatale friends(?) from those wild times as she was ripping heads off other guys - scary, but fascinating, how easy it was for her to completely take control over them.
She was kind of bragging about some details and tricks in the talks he had and when she was "pulling the strings" she was making it more "dramatic" as it had to be occasionally just for my amusement, like she was trying to show "just look, there is are no limits of what they will fall for".

I doubt she ever had such male friend(?) as me, and I doubt any femme fatale will decide to "open up" to me in my life like this again.

It was like a once-in-the-lifetime "glimpse" into the world that is usually a very personal space, where there are no witnesses that can follow what is really going on.

Edit: this one was definitely a "toxic" person.
 
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nemolomen

nemolomen
WARNING: SEVERELY ON TOPIC (feel free to skip)

I can certainly see for an end gamer, but not just them, where Odyssey was hyped as the new thing and was sold as if it were complete and feature rich, when in fact it WAS not, and, to varying degrees, still IS not, even though it is "currently" playable.

Case in point:
  • 1 or 2 days after Update 6 dropped, I wanted to see how settlements were (curiosity), so I took an APEX on a mission from a large station to go pick up an item and return it.
  • Went to the mission settlement and exited the APEX, then realized I had the wrong suit on for the mission
  • Called the APEX back to book to somewhere closer
  • Go to another, closer, station (while changing my on foot load out en route),
  • Then got another APEX back to where I was headed in the first place.
  • Did the mission,
  • Called APEX for the return trip,
  • Got back to the original station, pilot requested docking clearance, approved, "waiting in queue"...
  • 5 minutes (really?)...
  • 10 minutes (uh oh something broken)...
  • 15 minutes
  • OK, closed game and reopened...
  • still waiting to dock..
  • Waited another 10 minutes
  • Closed game, rebooted computer, started game
  • Still waiting to dock.
  • Waited another 10 minutes
  • Closed game and started in Horizons...problem gone
I want to say that this happened at Jameson, but I'm not 100% sure of that, it may have been a nearby system.

Not sure if it was fixed in 6.01. Haven't taken the time to try again.

The advertised upcoming feature for redirecting APEX en route will be a welcome change, if they get it right.

What does the future hold? We can only know that when it happens.

Will it improve? Most probably. It already has but still needs lots more improving. (Oh, and the regressions from Horizons, ugh)

Will it be too late? Probably for some; who are already gone and may not return. No clue how large or small that group is or will be in the end.

I'm betting that FDev had really grand plans for what Odyssey would be, but their implementation execution, sadly, did not meet anyone's expectations, themselves included.

This game has so, so much potential, but potential is not game play.

As I've said in other places in the forums, and probably even (thousands of posts ago) in this thread, I'm a) lucky in that I'm still rather new to the game (< 1 year) and b) not interested in pushing myself to get to the end.

But yeah, I can see why people are

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We now return you to your regularly scheduled non-cat memes...
 

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