The only thing this wall of text is good for is for making a brick ball game level so it can be taken apart, word by word, and discarded to the void.All of that are reasons for everyone to be miffed. so lets continue
Still more reasons to be miffed. I'm not seeing anything yet that would suggest a rational person wouldn't be miffed at paying for this
The adjustments to the bgs in the past are irrelevant. The issues brought up were new and documented. The differences in cycles and issues pertaining to that were new to odyssey and not an aspect of regular balance adjustments. Many of the problems related to the bgs were issues that began in the alpha and either persisted into the release or were brand new in the release.
The silent majority defense? there is no evidence of a silent majority. There is however, evidence of a miffed majority. Not just in steam charts, but in the reaction that fdev has taken to this vs all of the other releases where many of these same issues happen in each of them to a much smaller scale (like the feedback on bugs in the beta not being resolved before release and the release introducing regressions and new bugs etc) . The overall tone of the forum is less a angry shouting match of suggestions on what is coming next, and more of a tone of Doom.
That's new...there's always been people thinking the game is over if their idea doesn't get done..but it's pervasive across all types of players now. You may never get your metrics directly from Fdev that would be the only ones you would accept as absolute proof, since they'll never provide them.. but all available evidence points to this release being overwhelmingly received as poor and the players being a majority being miffed enough with it to be vocal about it.
There is no silent majority. You might as well conjure up flying spaghetti monsters if you want to go that route. A minority of players didn't make up the backlash and poor reception of odyssey.
I dont have a stock and trade with bashing fdev, i dont gain anything by stating that they make crap gameplay decisions that make people question whether they play their own game. Nor have i always been that way in regards to them. I dont have a youtube channel or twitch or discord or any such social media presence i'm trying to gain followers on or side hustle. They've earned the ire they're receiving, just as they've received praise in the past when they've done good things. And there is value in giving that ire... especially when providing kudos in the past and biting the tongue has brought us to this point.
Something different is needed, and perhaps the playerbase has provided that now. We'll see ...but it is pretty clear that more of the same that went on before is not desired...and the evidence of change at fdev is not yet there to think it safe to go back to that.
something amiss wouldn't take months to fix. All evidence points to the second part. From the timing of events, to the scope of the problems and the needed work to get to a finished state those problems exist in. And that does factor into the miffed-ness of players. It's not an accident, or a course of the business mistake. This appears to have been an intentional gamble that the players would absorb all of the problems quietly like has been done in the past and whatever goal fdev had at the time would be accomplished and they would deal with the rest after.
and they still might. maybe the game's momentum will have not died completely and they can re-release in a couple months and turn the ship around and make the money they had been expecting from odyssey. There's always going to be a bunch of core players who would stick with playing the game no matter what. But as a business, they likely can't just rely on those players to meet their numbers (luckily for the those players) ...and so there's a very real chance now that odyssey could be the last big dlc fdev does for elite..
you have a game kickstarted in a huge part by emotionally attached nostalgic geeks that's been around for 6+ years now and the players who have stuck around are obviously extremely emotionally attached and most new players who make it past the learning curve are not usually the kind of player who just says hey "yea i spent a couple months playing the game, i'm cool to just be done now". This kind of game attracts the players who take games way too seriously (as much as taking any game seriously is too serious). so it's not surprising that you have people every other day talking like the Doom of the game is as important as someone trying to murder them or something.
but in the context of this forum that's about the game, it's as real and as serious as anything is.
Personally though, all of the game emotions and concerns lives and dies here. I have long accepted the disappointment fdev delivers in not delivering. The right game exists only in the imagination ...and the people who you can either share that imagination with, or the pain with. And since nobody is ever on in the game (and fdev still hasn't made such interaction organic within the game), most of that happens on the forum these days. The forum is the heart of elite.. Or the discord channel.. Or the subreddit. Rather than something within the actual game.
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The only thing this wall of text is good for is for making a brick ball game level so it can be taken apart, word by word, and discarded to the void.
Don't listen to Pranav there.The usual solution:
Yes there is a spoon. Two ladies were looking at the camera and teasing.
Kudos.
I would never write so many words at once.
Unless I was writing about me, but as nobody would read it, we are back at "I wouldn't".
ED must be almost as much important to you as I am for myself.
I meant, spoon is a metaphor, obviously.
Unfortunately, due to forum policy, I can't elaborate.
There are no clothes.
Or it takes me less time to write a lot of words than it would for you. So the cost is less.
Dont listen to that cannibal. Utopia does not deal with lies and falsehoods. If Antal says there is no spoon, then we need to look inward to discover why we think there is one.
Yeah - that's completely the wrong cuisine for it.
Use it when you are making an authentic spice dish that does not involve sugary foods. Stuff with Coriander, Cumin, Red and Green Chillis (the hot type, not the sweet type) Anise, Garlic and Ginger, Cardamom... Something a bit like Chicken 65.
Tex Mex has nothing that can blow your tongue away like real Indian local cuisine!
There is no defence against succulent burgers and niiiiiiicceee gifs. Only a cold beer would make it complete but sadly beer is banned in Utopian territory, along with cheese.
Sounds like Bantopia to me.
Good god I'd never use it in one of my curries, it would ruin a lot of them.
I've tried Maggi in Chinese cookery and again its flavour is way too off the reservation when you have the smooth subtle soy sauce. Its like a Beef and Tomato Pot Noodle beefy flavour, strong and potent.
Then it's possible you are doing it wrong!
No, I'm doing them just fine, no Indian curry I make requires anything like Maggi (and why would an Indian dish need an Austrian / German ingredient?)Then it's possible you are doing it wrong!
Its possible a few drops might work in a Red Thai curry but even then the salty umami like notes come from the fish sauce / soy which are quite mild and depending on taste balanced with sweetness.
Arrivaderci, auf weidesehen, do zobaczenia, until next time:
I'm taking leave of the forums for a week, along with Mrs. nemolomen and #1 grandson, in order to visit my mother, whom we haven't seen in over 2 years now. The only part I'm not looking forward to is the 12 hour drive, each way.
In my absence, @Bottom Hat is temporarily in charge of all of my stuphz.
In the highly unlikely event that I do not return, by um, let's say, the next Dr Who Christmas Special, @Bottom Hat is free to distribute my stuphz to other thread members as he sees fit, while, of course, keeping the best stuphz for himself as compensation for the task.
Keep the thread going; don't let the plug get pulled; and somebody please, for the love of all that is good, keep @Just in line.
I'm taking leave of the forums for a week, along with Mrs. nemolomen and #1 grandson, in order to visit my mother, whom we haven't seen in over 2 years now. The only part I'm not looking forward to is the 12 hour drive, each way.
In my absence, @Bottom Hat is temporarily in charge of all of my stuphz.
In the highly unlikely event that I do not return, by um, let's say, the next Dr Who Christmas Special, @Bottom Hat is free to distribute my stuphz to other thread members as he sees fit, while, of course, keeping the best stuphz for himself as compensation for the task.
Keep the thread going; don't let the plug get pulled; and somebody please, for the love of all that is good, keep @Just in line.
Safe travels.
Not sadly. luckily. Beer smells bad and alcohol in general is a poor replacement for what Utopians have
Perhaps you'd like to learn more about what Utopia has to offer by coming with me on a tour thru our facilities?
There is worse :
I don't know this marmite thing.
Looks a bit like liquid Bovril
It kinda reminds me of an enema bottle!
I wouldn't read a wall of crap like that, even if it was written by someone interesting....!
Sorry to say it mate, and I know I tease you a lot (which does get reciprocated!), but I hope that's a tongue in cheek joke?
Arrivaderci, auf weidesehen, do zobaczenia, until next time:
I'm taking leave of the forums for a week, along with Mrs. nemolomen and #1 grandson, in order to visit my mother, whom we haven't seen in over 2 years now. The only part I'm not looking forward to is the 12 hour drive, each way.
In my absence, @Bottom Hat is temporarily in charge of all of my stuphz.
In the highly unlikely event that I do not return, by um, let's say, the next Dr Who Christmas Special, @Bottom Hat is free to distribute my stuphz to other thread members as he sees fit, while, of course, keeping the best stuphz for himself as compensation for the task.
Keep the thread going; don't let the plug get pulled; and somebody please, for the love of all that is good, keep @Just in line.
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Have a very safe journey my friend, and say hi to your mum from me. Make sure to use my uncensored name from the signature though, as she might not realize it's me otherwise.
I will look after your stuphz very carefully, and I won't even put it in the shed with the angry badgers. I have one of those self-storage places that I've 'rented' down by the railway line near skid row. There's a guy who runs nightwatch security there, called Stavros.
He does confuse me though as he's always sat on the pavement by a homeless man's sign and coin-tin whenever I see him during the daytime. Nonetheless, he always seems to be in my lockup at night, and I don't have to give him a key either - seems very dedicated to me for security. Doesn't charge much either - I paid him $20 about 3 years ago, and all he asks for when I check in on him, is for some spare change, which is pretty good value.
He could use a good haircut and shave though, but I'm not one to judge. I wonder if he does any other units on the side, but I'm not going up against his union either, as his boss looks like a right tough sod, and is always liaising with the police about something or other. I like seeing good rapports like this.
I'll keep your stuphz inside cardboard boxes, which seems like a safe option. I haven't ever looked inside any after storing them as I trust Stav, so I hope my cash is still there.
Anyway, safe trip, and don't forget to give my regards to Mrs Palindrome Guy
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tongue in cheek that a wall of text isn't as much of an investment for me (right now anyway) as it would be for say ..someone on their phone typing (or otherwise takes much longer to type)? No.. that's just a... tongue out of cheek? observation.