State of the Game

says the person who keeps going to the forum when the forum has been nothing but a bunch of players in-fighting and complaining since kickstarter days. Perhaps you would find more enjoyment sticking to playing the game instead of being on the forum.
What deprive me of reading the maunderings of such tortured souls? Never... Reading the mild invective posted by the continually upset that whatever they dreamed the game might have been, or should have been, rather than recognising exactly what it is, is almost as comedic as a night at the Shunters & Wheeltappers Social Club!

I know it will come as a shock, but the very developers you berate managed to develop the game, amazing! They are also developing the game they want, which may or may not be the game you want, but that is of no import - they already have your money. (That said, I don't think they made a particularly wise decision in releasing Odyssey with quite so many performance issues, but that was their choice also)

Apart from the fact that I probably spend far more time playing this game than anyone posting in this thread :ROFLMAO:

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What deprive me of reading the maunderings of such tortured souls? Never... Reading the mild invective posted by the continually upset that whatever they dreamed the game might have been, or should have been, rather than recognising exactly what it is, is almost as comedic as a night at the Shunters & Wheeltappers Social Club!

Oh, so you're a hypocrite. It's ok for you to participate in something you are not happy with such as the forum, but it's unacceptable for other people to do that same thing with the game. I see. Makes complete sense. Yes. you are special.

I know it will come as a shock, but the very developers you berate managed to develop the game, amazing! They are also developing the game they want, which may or may not be the game you want, but that is of no import - they already have your money. (That said, I don't think they made a particularly wise decision in releasing Odyssey with quite so many performance issues, but that was theit choice also)

Apart from the fact that I probably spend far more time playing this game than anyone posting in this thread :ROFLMAO:

The developers currently developing the game are not the same developers and people who worked on the game a few years ago, much less when it was mostly written back in 2015. Employees change. Companies change. The game that once was ...with the bits of player content and enthusiasm for what they were doing is no longer in place.

This may come as a shock to you, but everything changes. That includes the game. So while in name, they're the same developers that managed to develop the game, they're not the same company that started it. They will at times deserve congratulations, and at times deserve beratement ...this is one of those times where they deserve the latter.
 
Oh, so you're a hypocrite. It's ok for you to participate in something you are not happy with such as the forum,
Not in the least - the forum is a source of much amusement!
Yes. you are special.
Yes, I am very special - unique even!
This may come as a shock to you, but everything changes. That includes the game.
It isn't me that is shocked, is it? I play the game I have - for many hours each week, because it is entertaining me and amusing.

... it is you who is discontent with the game you have, choosing to berate the developers at every opportunity just because what you have is not that you wish it to be, isn't that correct, or have I failed to recognise that your continual snipes and gripes are your own expression of great joy?

As for the developers - wow! just wow! Not the same company any more... OK 🤷‍♂️
 
could just take a page out of your own book and just walk away and find somewhere else to discuss stuff. The forum has been a hostile pool of frustration and conflicting moans and groans since it started. So it obviously wont change and there is no point in trying to pretend like it will. So instead of complaining about the forum in a completely futile way ...just go off and leave it be.

That's the answer right? It's what you say about the game all the time like it's some high road nugget of wisdom. Is that something you just troll with or something you actually believe? Cuz is sounds like it applies here yet isn't being applied.
 
if you find amusement in it, then why would you insist that it stop being what it is? Why would you want the source of your amusement to end?

sounds like maybe you dont know what you like. Have you been playing a game that has an identity issue a whole late lately? maybe a game that doesn't know what it wants or what it even is? Perhaps it's rubbing off?
 
I'm not complaining about the forum - that would be similar to complaining that a septic tank smells...

What I say about the game is that it is what it is, it is the continual insistance that it isn't whatever another dreamed it might, or should, be... Should I lie to myself and insist it be something I've deluded myself into believing it should be?

It must be dreadful to have to consider one who tells the truth to be a troll - have I ever lied about the game, claimed it to be something it isn't? Or expressed disappointment as it isn't what I dreamed it should be? Therein lies the rub, people dream up a vision of what this game ought to be in their opinion, then complain, continually that the dream isn't realised - all I do is play the game that is on my PC - no dreams...

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I'm not complaining about the forum - that would be similar to complaining that a septic tank smells...
no? this is the forum, and you complain about the posts on it all the time. So try again.

What I say about the game is that it is what it is, it is the continual insistance that it isn't whatever another dreamed it might, or should, be... Should I lie to myself and insist it be something I've deluded myself into believing it should be?
Who said you should? Nobody is telling you that you should change how you think. You're insisting that the forum change the same way that the people you're complaining about as being the source of the negativity regarding the game (but this is totally not defined as complaining by you) are insisting that the development of the game change.

Something you say they shouldn't do because the game is what it is and always will be that. Yet the forum is what it is as well, and has been what it is since it started. If we believe your statement that the game isn't going to change, what about the forum makes it different that it's not hypocritical to demand your desires of change from the forum vs the forum's desires of change from the game? So long as the game is unchangeable, the playerbase is unchangeable, and so the forum is just as unchangeable since the playerbase is what makes it up.

Wishing that the forum posts would change is no different than wishing that some part of the game would change. Yet you're fine with continually wishing the forum postings would change... despite insisting that the content of those posters in regards to wanting the game to change is wrong.

You can pretend that you enjoy it, but it seems rather obvious that you dont and are just trying to back peddle the obvious hypocrisy. Which is fine, hypocritical posts on the forum is part of the forum's identity. So it fits right in.


It must be dreadful to have to sonsider one who tells the truth to be a troll - have I ever lied about the game, claimed it to be something it isn't? Or expressed disappointment as it isn't what I dreamed it should be? Therin lies the rub, people dream up a vision of what this game ought to be in thier opinion, then complain, continually that the dream isn't realised - all I do is play the game that is on my PC - no dreams...
are you trying to pretend that the current doomism is caused by players wishing that things like powerplay had pvp only and a player driven economy and the such ... and not from horrific performance issues and bugs and broken introduced mechanics and unrealized promises that got scaled back to blank interstitials and outright lies to the players to get sales from a game that wasn't in the state advertised?

because we had all of the wishing the game was something it wasn't before odyssey and the game was doing just fine in terms of player sentiment and reviews and all that. None of that has changed. The current state is not about wishing for things that were never intended to be delivered. So what changed? The playerbase didn't drastically change.

i think your pretend version of reality is opportunistically blind. There have always been complaints about could have's and might have's in the game, but what has led to the current state of Doom are the extreme failures and real issues surrounding this DLC. That's why this is the way it is now and why such situations did not exist like this previously.
 
You can pretend that you enjoy it, but it seems rather obvious that you dont and are just trying to back peddle the obvious hypocrisy. Which is fine, hypocritical posts on the forum is part of the forum's identity. So it fits right in.
Believe me, I'm not pretending...
i think your pretend version of reality is opportunistically blind
Odd... It isn't me who thinks that whatever is on my NVMe drive is something other than what it is...
are you trying to pretend that the current doomism is caused by players wishing that
Why should I pretend? I leave that to the ones who are unable to see that what they have is actual - the things that 'should be' but aren't, just aren't, no matter how much bile exists, if it isn't there, it isn't.
There have always been complaints about could have's and might have's in the game
Of course there have, and they will never cease - until the plug is pulled on the game (and will probably echo around in the emptiness for a while afterward, bewailing what never was!) and there is nothing left to complain about.
That's why this is the way it is now and why such situations did not exist like this previously.
Didn't the sky fall when Horizons was released too? I recall reading comments about equally doom-laden posts about poor performance...

Never mind, feel free to berate others with skills that far exceed your own, if it makes you feel better.

I can continue to chuckle whilst enjoying the game that is on my PC (and a few others too) that in no way inflames me against the team that created it, even though it isn't perfect.
 
Can a game (a piece of software) have an identity issue.... that's seriously scary...
I just thought yesterday about that, well, it was more about how likely it is for an AI based on complex adaptation (the one we are using) to develop issues like schizophrenia. I came to the conclusion that it is fairly possible - it doesn't really matter if it is a biological machine or one on a different substrate, the method used can lead to that input is interpreted in a wrong way and reinforced by self-induced "evidence" (which isn't evidence but self-made up belief) and this again can lead to conditions which are similar to paranoid hallucinatory schizophrenia. IMO no one has really put attention to this issue yet -that AI could well develop delusion and that it isn't even that unlikely.
 
I just thought yesterday about that, well, it was more about how likely it is for an AI based on complex adaptation (the one we are using) to develop issues like schizophrenia. I came to the conclusion that it is fairly possible - it doesn't really matter if it is a biological machine or one on a different substrate, the method used can lead to that input is interpreted in a wrong way and reinforced by self-induced "evidence" (which isn't evidence but self-made up belief) and this again can lead to conditions which are similar to paranoid hallucinatory schizophrenia. IMO no one has really put attention to this issue yet -that AI could well develop delusion and that is isn't even that unlikely.
We looked at so-called Expert Systems 30-odd years ago, and wondered what the future might bring if sufficient processing power was available to model true AI... I wonder how many true advances will be made in my lifetime? Having moved from silicon transistors and diodes in discrete circuits to designing VLSI chips in what felt like a very short period of time, now seeing billions of transistors on a CPU / GPU chip has been an exceptional journey for me!

Sadly, I don't think ED: Odyssey could be counted as even being vaguely self-aware, yet alone have an identity crisis!
 
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