Europe Checklist

I am very pleasantly surprised by the way that the european animal count is slowly tickling up.
Now with three other additions, i thought abit about what i would say is needed, to make Europe a finished and fully satisfying region in the game, without just completly bloating the raster.
Goal is simple, not more then 20 animals but a good and diverse raster, lets dive in.

First and foremost, Europe has 2 apex predators, the wolf and the brownbear.
Right now we have 1/2, but i only really see either the european brownbear or the syrian brownbear making it in something like a grabbag dlc with other low effort animals like the american flamingo.

The second most important category would be "wild". Wild is hunterslang for the different herbivores of middle europe, and they make out a good part of the selection in most "wildparks". Park means the same in english, so i guess you should get that connection to our common local zoos. Technically, also other animals would count to "wild" as its just huntable animals, but in common usage only the ungulates are spoken of when talking about wild, with maybe the addition of hares and pheasants. Main reason though is because thats the stuff you eat in a hunting style restaurant lol.
I would say atleast 4 would be fine, some noteable examples that could fill these roles would be red deer, fallow deer, wild boar, chamois, roe deer, mouflon and ibex.
But right now thats a fair and square 0/4, see me after class.

The next most important group would be small carnivores, we have a bunch of them and they are next to the wild the most commonly displayed animals in wildparks.
Again i would say about 4 would do fine, with one slot actually being taken care of by newly revealed polarfox. Other good candidates would be the red fox, european polecat, european wildcat (look them up, they look like cute tabby cats), lynx, european badger, a marten or even the river otter.

After shooting out half the slots, lets take a look at birds! While technically already having one in the game, europe has two that are an absolute must have, the eurasian pheasant, one of the culturally most important birds and the pheasant with by far the furthest distribution, even before we imported them everywhere, including in europe, and the wester capercallie. I doubt that anyone would argue against these 2, so we have a nice an easy 1/3 if we count the flamingo. There would also be other great birds like the mute swan, but i would prefer the first two even though i would love other birds aswell.

Another fun one are rodents, because europe actually has quite a few fun ones. We just got the beaver, but the crested porcupine, red squirrel, alpine marmot and european hare or mountainhare all have some great things going for them. I would be happy to see them all, but i think a second one would be enough to be satisfied, so we have a nice 1/2.

The one group where im fully satisfied with right now would be the pinipeds. The harbour seal would be nice, but the greyseal already covers his niche and does a great job at it, so 1/1.

One thing that i belive should also be included in europe would be domestic animals. We dont need much, already having the reindeer, but i would love to see atleast one more european breed, some favorites of mine would be the scottish highland cattle, a saddleback pig and the mallard. 1/2.

Lastly, i would like to see the 2 beefy giants of europe, the wisent (european bison) and the moose. The moose is already confirmed to be coming, but i would love to see them both. 1/2.

So thats it, exactly 20 slots seperated between different categories, but for the fun, here is what i would choose specificly:

Apex:
  • Gray wolf (in the game)
  • eurasian Brownbear

Wild:
  • Fallow deer
  • Red deer
  • Wild boar
  • Alpine Ibex

Small Carnivore:
  • Polarfox (in the game) (would have been the red fox before, but you take what you get and two diffrent foxes in 4 slots is overkill, still think hes coming though and im glad about it)
  • Lynx
  • Eurasian Polecat
  • European Badger

Birds:
  • Eurasian pheasant
  • Western capricallie
  • Greater flamingo (in the game)

Rodents:
  • Beaver (in the game, i dont care that its the american subspecies it looks the same)
  • red squirrel

Pinipeds:
- grey seal (in the game)

Domestic:
  • Reindeer (in the game)
  • Scottish highland cattle

Big boys:
  • Moose (in the game)
  • Wisent

Total completion:
7/20


So yeah thats it, what would you guys like to see for europe?
Anything you disagree with? Anything i missed? Cant wait to hear it and see what you would like to see.
 
I am very pleasantly surprised by the way that the european animal count is slowly tickling up.
Now with three other additions, i thought abit about what i would say is needed, to make Europe a finished and fully satisfying region in the game, without just completly bloating the raster.
Goal is simple, not more then 20 animals but a good and diverse raster, lets dive in.

First and foremost, Europe has 2 apex predators, the wolf and the brownbear.
Right now we have 1/2, but i only really see either the european brownbear or the syrian brownbear making it in something like a grabbag dlc with other low effort animals like the american flamingo.

The second most important category would be "wild". Wild is hunterslang for the different herbivores of middle europe, and they make out a good part of the selection in most "wildparks". Park means the same in english, so i guess you should get that connection to our common local zoos. Technically, also other animals would count to "wild" as its just huntable animals, but in common usage only the ungulates are spoken of when talking about wild, with maybe the addition of hares and pheasants. Main reason though is because thats the stuff you eat in a hunting style restaurant lol.
I would say atleast 4 would be fine, some noteable examples that could fill these roles would be red deer, fallow deer, wild boar, chamois, roe deer, mouflon and ibex.
But right now thats a fair and square 0/4, see me after class.

The next most important group would be small carnivores, we have a bunch of them and they are next to the wild the most commonly displayed animals in wildparks.
Again i would say about 4 would do fine, with one slot actually being taken care of by newly revealed polarfox. Other good candidates would be the red fox, european polecat, european wildcat (look them up, they look like cute tabby cats), lynx, european badger, a marten or even the river otter.

After shooting out half the slots, lets take a look at birds! While technically already having one in the game, europe has two that are an absolute must have, the eurasian pheasant, one of the culturally most important birds and the pheasant with by far the furthest distribution, even before we imported them everywhere, including in europe, and the wester capercallie. I doubt that anyone would argue against these 2, so we have a nice an easy 1/3 if we count the flamingo. There would also be other great birds like the mute swan, but i would prefer the first two even though i would love other birds aswell.

Another fun one are rodents, because europe actually has quite a few fun ones. We just got the beaver, but the crested porcupine, red squirrel, alpine marmot and european hare or mountainhare all have some great things going for them. I would be happy to see them all, but i think a second one would be enough to be satisfied, so we have a nice 1/2.

The one group where im fully satisfied with right now would be the pinipeds. The harbour seal would be nice, but the greyseal already covers his niche and does a great job at it, so 1/1.

One thing that i belive should also be included in europe would be domestic animals. We dont need much, already having the reindeer, but i would love to see atleast one more european breed, some favorites of mine would be the scottish highland cattle, a saddleback pig and the mallard. 1/2.

Lastly, i would like to see the 2 beefy giants of europe, the wisent (european bison) and the moose. The moose is already confirmed to be coming, but i would love to see them both. 1/2.

So thats it, exactly 20 slots seperated between different categories, but for the fun, here is what i would choose specificly:

Apex:
  • Gray wolf (in the game)
  • eurasian Brownbear

Wild:
  • Fallow deer
  • Red deer
  • Wild boar
  • Alpine Ibex

Small Carnivore:
  • Polarfox (in the game) (would have been the red fox before, but you take what you get and two diffrent foxes in 4 slots is overkill, still think hes coming though and im glad about it)
  • Lynx
  • Eurasian Polecat
  • European Badger

Birds:
  • Eurasian pheasant
  • Western capricallie
  • Greater flamingo (in the game)

Rodents:
  • Beaver (in the game, i dont care that its the american subspecies it looks the same)
  • red squirrel

Pinipeds:
- grey seal (in the game)

Domestic:
  • Reindeer (in the game)
  • Scottish highland cattle

Big boys:
  • Moose (in the game)
  • Wisent

Total completion:
7/20


So yeah thats it, what would you guys like to see for europe?
Anything you disagree with? Anything i missed? Cant wait to hear it and see what you would like to see.
If you take out the red fox because the arctic fox got in, you might as well take out the brown bear and wisent. Other than that, great list, although realistically I think we'll see 4, maybe 5 out of the remaining slots.
 
I'd totally love a European Animal Pack with Red Deer, Wild Boar, European Badger, Eurasian Lynx, Alpine Marmot, Alpine Ibex and Wisent/Red Fox (and even a 4+1 pack with deer, badger, lynx and ibex would be great). I understand that it's probably not as interesting a pack for general audiences as pretty much any of the DLCs so far, but they are all animals that would bring much needed variety to the game and allow us to flesh out some sections, and I suppose at least the forum activity shows that there are many who would love such a pack.

Tbh, I'm still disappointed to this day that we got the Himalayan Brown Bear instead of the Eurasian; seemed like such a wasted specification of the subspecies to me. I don't think I'm alone in rarely giving a thought to using the Himalayan BB.
 
I'd totally love a European Animal Pack with Red Deer, Wild Boar, European Badger, Eurasian Lynx, Alpine Marmot, Alpine Ibex and Wisent/Red Fox (and even a 4+1 pack with deer, badger, lynx and ibex would be great). I understand that it's probably not as interesting a pack for general audiences as pretty much any of the DLCs so far, but they are all animals that would bring much needed variety to the game and allow us to flesh out some sections, and I suppose at least the forum activity shows that there are many who would love such a pack.

Tbh, I'm still disappointed to this day that we got the Himalayan Brown Bear instead of the Eurasian; seemed like such a wasted specification of the subspecies to me. I don't think I'm alone in rarely giving a thought to using the Himalayan BB.
The HBB is by far the least popular animal in the game, with people prefering either the Eurasian BB (european representaion) or Syrian BB (Visually distinct to the Grizzly, east european/western asia representation).
 
If you take out the red fox because the arctic fox got in
i actually think the opposite, for me the Red Fox has an high chance to make it, not counting Frontier is an English company, and we know the relationship between England and the Red Foxes, plus it will be a reused rig with a lot of "fans" around the world.

The perfect European Pack for me would be:
  • Alpine Ibex
  • Red Deer
  • Wild Boar
  • Eurasian Lynx
  • Red Fox
  • Capercaille
  • European Badger
  • Fire Salamander
I'm sorry for the Chamois and for the Fallow Deer but i don't think Frontier will include them instead of the Ibex and the Reed Deer.
 
i actually think the opposite, for me the Red Fox has an high chance to make it, not counting Frontier is an English company, and we know the relationship between England and the Red Foxes, plus it will be a reused rig with a lot of "fans" around the world.

The perfect European Pack for me would be:
  • Alpine Ibex
  • Red Deer
  • Wild Boar
  • Eurasian Lynx
  • Red Fox
  • Capercaille
  • European Badger
  • Fire Salamander
I'm sorry for the Chamois and for the Fallow Deer but i don't think Frontier will include them instead of the Ibex and the Reed Deer.
I for one don't think the red deer and fallow deer are mutually exclusive, if we discuss an animal pack. If it's a 4+1 than there can only be one deer. I think the fallow deer is much more likely than the capercaille, for instance.
 
In my opinion, the North America animal pack has paved the way for a European DLC by excluding a lynx, a "standard" deer and a goat. Those three animals seem to be the most requested for a European DLC. If any of those was part of NA pack, I would have worried, but now I feel more optimistic than ever.

Even the omission of a wolverine makes sense to save it for a European pack. It could be the representative of Northern Europe, with the remaining 3 animals plus the exhibit being from southern/central Europe (Iberian lynx, deer, ibex, salamander...)
 
In my opinion, the North America animal pack has paved the way for a European DLC by excluding a lynx, a "standard" deer and a goat. Those three animals seem to be the most requested for a European DLC. If any of those was part of NA pack, I would have worried, but now I feel more optimistic than ever.

Even the omission of a wolverine makes sense to save it for a European pack. It could be the representative of Northern Europe, with the remaining 3 animals plus the exhibit being from southern/central Europe (Iberian lynx, deer, ibex, salamander...)
I'm really torn on the iberian lynx. On the one hand it is distinct and endangered, on the other hand, very rare in zoos and not very versatile. So very similat to the proboscis monkey.
 
Ideal pack for me would now be: Alpine Ibex, Wolverine, European Badger, Iberian/Eurasian Lynx. I really want all four of these animals, so while I wouldn't be opposed to a deer or wild boar, I really wouldn't want to see any of these replaced.
 
I think the biggest question now is if we will really get a birds pack in December, and if so which species will it contain? Depending on that, I would expect and hope for a Animal pack.
For me at least a vulture and an owl are essential for European fauna, a waterfowl species, Daltamian pelican and capercaillie would be nice too.
A lynx is a safe bet, but I really hope that the polar fox will be the last canine for a while, a maned wolf but be OK, but other than that I'm tired of species of this family.
A mustelid is also very needed, I'm hoping for the wolverine, but a badger, marten, polecat or even a Eurasian otter I would be fine with.
Hoofstock doesn't seem to be really liked by most of the community, so I just can see one other deer in the raster (and I hope it's gonna be the Père David's). So I would belive an Alpine ibex is more probable than a deer.
If we'll get an normal pack, I'm not sure which ones I would prefer.
 
I think the biggest question now is if we will really get a birds pack in December, and if so which species will it contain? Depending on that, I would expect and hope for a Animal pack.
For me at least a vulture and an owl are essential for European fauna, a waterfowl species, Daltamian pelican and capercaillie would be nice too.
A lynx is a safe bet, but I really hope that the polar fox will be the last canine for a while, a maned wolf but be OK, but other than that I'm tired of species of this family.
A mustelid is also very needed, I'm hoping for the wolverine, but a badger, marten, polecat or even a Eurasian otter I would be fine with.
Hoofstock doesn't seem to be really liked by most of the community, so I just can see one other deer in the raster (and I hope it's gonna be the Père David's). So I would belive an Alpine ibex is more probable than a deer.
If we'll get an normal pack, I'm not sure which ones I would prefer.
I expect a bigger (and more expansive) DLC if we get the aviaries at Christmas than we got until now. At least 10 birds but I think we could get even more plus some scenery pack (perhaps lower amount of pieces than the Standard DLCs had before). In my opinion it would be really strange if frontier includes flying mechanics just to bring 4 or 5 birds to the game.
 
I'm pessimistic if i say that we wont receive two animal packs in a row, it seems strange but i think that the December Dlc will be a classic aviary pack with the more iconic birds first, and more to come in the 2022, simil to the Aquatic pack.

But for now i think it's better to enjoy this NA pack, it's too early to think about the Christmas Dlc.
 
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If I could be allowed to dream, my ideal European representation would be:

A standard 4+1 Europe Pack, with a prehistoric building theme, that features:
1. Alpine ibex: A fairly obvious and well-requested species that would be the flagship for the pack.
2. Eurasian red squirrel: A recognisable small mammal that can be kept in open-topped and walkthrough enclosures (see https://www.zoochat.com/community/media/red-squirrel-walkthru.540023/full?d=1628104128 and https://www.zoochat.com/community/media/red-squirrel-walk-through.494073/full?d=1596123156).
3. European badger: Another fairly well-known species that is also fairly high on the meta wishlist.
4. Marginated tortoise: The largest of Europe's tortoises and a true European endemic, this falls within the size range of a meerkat and prairie dog and would be another animal for smaller habitats; they are widely kept in outdoor enclosures (see https://www.zoochat.com/community/m...outdoor-exhibit-2017.545439/full?d=1630958169, https://www.zoochat.com/community/m...scovery-outpost-2015.517221/full?d=1612989457 and https://www.zoochat.com/community/media/mediterraneum.395099/full?d=1524509475).
Exhibit. Aesculapian snake: While maybe not an obvious animal, they are perhaps one of the most culturally important animals of the continent, appearing as a symbol of health and healing around the world - the Rod of Asclepius depicts this snake. It would also be the only colubrid (the most diverse snake group on Earth) in the game.

Then, to add some further European species as well as animals from both Africa and Asia, I would do a 7+1 Mediterranean Animal Pack which has:
1. Aoudad: Also known as the Barbary sheep, a species widely-kept around the world and sometimes found in smaller zoos.
2. Barbary macaque: Mostly a reskin of the Japanese macaque, but would be a charismatic species that is tolerant of a broad range of conditions and is a mainstay of European zoos.
3. Fallow deer: A European and Asian species that is probably one of the most commonly-kept deer species on Earth; I find them, with their dappled coats, to be one of the nicest-looking of the deer and visually very different to either the reindeer or moose.
4. Great white pelican: A species that breeds in Europe, Africa and Asia; would be able to be used in all kinds of different scenarios - for this one I erred a lot on whether the Dalmatian pelican would be better, but the great white is the most requested pelican species overall.
5. Iberian lynx: Potentially the flagship species for the pack, an endangered European endemic that is starting to be kept more widely in zoos.
6. Indian crested porcupine: An Asian species that is visually very similar to the African crested porcupine that is a much-requested animal.
7. Striped hyena: An animal from both Africa and Asia that would have a lot of versatility in different zoos and is considerably different in appearance and behaviour to the spotted hyena.
Exhibit. Mallorcan midwife toad: This would be the first arid-dwelling amphibian in the game, whose conservation and discovery history is so amazing that I feel it should be represented; this would also be an ideal representative of the Mediterranean's endemic amphibians (63% of the amphibians in the Mediterranean live nowhere else) and also the Mediterranean islands that otherwise have little representation.

With that, a further nine European species would be added, along with some additional African and Asian representation.
 
With the NA pack I feel like Europe will definitely get a scenery pack with a almost guaranteed ibex and Lynx. From there my heart wants the wolverine and then it’s a toss up between a deer or the musk ox (I really want both)

Ibex
Iberian Lynx
Wolverine
Red Deer/ musk Ox
Fire Salamander
 
Talking about the European Pack already? Actually no, we've been talking about it for a long time... so according to the metalist (as of 9/23/21) it should include some of the following...
  • Przewalski's Horse - Number 4; didn't think it counted, but apparently Ukraine--one of the places it's been reintroduced--was part of its natural habitat.
  • Eurasian Lynx - Sitting at number 5; the Spanish Lynx is there too, but it ranks at 28.
  • African Crested Porcupine - Number 8; despite the name, they're also found in Italy, so it is qualified (so, kinda like the Cassowary).
  • Wolverine - Number 12.
  • Red Fox - Number 13.
  • Alpine Ibex - Sits at 16; I personally prefer the Spanish Ibex, it doesn't seem to even be on the list.
  • Walrus - Sits at 18, just barely qualifying as a European animal.
  • Red Deer - Number 20.
  • European Badger - Sits at 27, although I kinda doubt we'd get both it and the Wolverine.
  • Wild Boar - Way down there at 47.
  • Saiga - Way, way down there at 66; turns out a tiny bit of Kazhakstan is part of Europe (who knew?).
  • Alpine Marmot - Really way down there at 122... I mean, they added the Prarie Dog, right?
  • Harbor Seal - Sitting at an abysmal 140...
I think that's all, but I could be wrong...
 
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Now North America has a bunch of cool new animals, europe need more!
My wishlist:
If its a normal pack.
  • Red Deer
  • Alpine Ibex
  • Boreal Lynx
  • Wolverine
  • Olm for terrarium

About a theme, I was thinking a medieval like buildings.
 
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