Peregrina Aristocrats

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Do you see other groups who have lore based permit systems whining? No.
Once again: we've never complained, we have dealt with that problem acting strictly by the game's rules. You did start whining and got the god mode from the devs.

But breaking the game rules is okay because you are good and want to win always, no matter the cost, and all the rest can... suffer.
 
We're not playing in your universe. You're playing in ours.
Since when do we play in your universe? We ALL play in the same universe, the FD universe. There's nothing to distort the point and try to make our position look bad when we've clearly written our reasons, decisions, and possibilities. And given a solution to the situation that can satisfy absolutely everyone here. And in general, our proposed solution can become a template for similar situations.

We are players just like you. None of us are more equal, so we offer a tolerant solution to a common problem. Not selfish, but correct for all.
 
Once again: we've never complained, we have dealt with that problem acting strictly by the game's rules. You did start whining and got the god mode from the devs.

But breaking the game rules is okay because you are good and want to win always, no matter the cost, and all the rest can... suffer.

Well, you still think it's ok to block content to other players by hiding under the "rules"
And this attitude it's not going to get you new supporters and it may even cost you some of the current supporters. 🤷‍♂️
 
Well, you still think it's ok to block content to other players by hiding under the "rules"
And this attitude it's not going to get you new supporters and it may even cost you some of the current supporters. 🤷‍♂️
Try blocking off access to common land in real life and see how far that gets you.
Dear pilots, there is nothing to distort the essence and try to put our position in a bad light, if we have clearly written the reasons, solutions and possibilities. And given a solution to the situation that can satisfy absolutely everyone here.

Peregrina was blocked precisely because all the visiting permitees did not even try to be PEOPLE and respect the territory of a group of other people. Now we give a solution to the problem, what is the problem with agreeing that it is reasonable? Or are you just discriminating against us and our friends?
 
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Once again: we've never complained, we have dealt with that problem acting strictly by the game's rules. You did start whining and got the god mode from the devs.

But breaking the game rules is okay because you are good and want to win always, no matter the cost, and all the rest can... suffer.
'Me'? I have no skin in this game, just telling you the objective reality of FD, ED and PA.

Dear pilots, there is nothing to distort the essence and try to put our position in a bad light, if we have clearly written the reasons, solutions and possibilities. And given a solution to the situation that can satisfy absolutely everyone here.

Peregrina was blocked precisely because all the visiting permitees did not even try to be PEOPLE and respect the territory of a group of other people. Now we give a solution to the problem, what is the problem with agreeing that it is reasonable?
You seem to think the BGS is all about gardening, where once you have something it can never change. Just with all PMFs or player supported factions if you want to keep your territory you have to defend it.
 
'Me'? I have no skin in this game, just telling you the objective reality of FD, ED and PA.


You seem to think the BGS is all about gardening, where once you have something it can never change. Just with all PMFs or player supported factions if you want to keep your territory you have to defend it.
That's what we have been doing, are doing, and will continue to do. The problem is that we're not fighting with honest players, but with a silly and one-sided solution to the problem. It is enough to cut off PA from BGS in HIP 18609, leaving the issuance of permits and that's it, everyone is happy. Peace, ponies, rainbows.
 
We're not playing in your universe. You're playing in ours.
what AHAHAHAHAH
Seriously? Your universe? How are you better than me and any other player? Do you want a spoiler? No better. Temper your ardor, fighter. To begin with, it would be better to learn not to read between the lines, and then dump your opinion on the forum. Or you're just a troll.
 
w o w

if that's not a sense of entitlement I don't know what is

I know it's got your name on it, but if you can't hold on to it then that's just tough luck.

I say once again, player-named factions were a mistake.
I can only conclude from what you have written that you have some kind of personal universe where there is only you, you are absolutely right there, and everyone who wants to play with friends in a game where it is possible to play with friends - wrong.

This is true duplicity and double standards in favor of your own desires.

We, on the other hand, have offered a solution to the problems with everyone in mind, so that those who want to get permits and we can continue to play and enjoy FD's creation. We are all players here. And everyone is equal. Too bad not everyone is willing to put up with the fact that they can't be more equal.
 
We have already defended it acting strictly by the game's rules. But nothing can be defended if you are restricted by the rules and your oppenents have god mode.
Then why did you think setting up shop by a lore system that is an edge case BGS wise a good move? FD have systems earmarked for lore, Peregrina is one and it was only a matter of time before their needs trumped yours.
 
I can only conclude from what you have written that you have some kind of personal universe where there is only you, you are absolutely right there, and everyone who wants to play with friends in a game where it is possible to play with friends - wrong.

This is true duplicity and double standards in favor of your own desires.

We, on the other hand, have offered a solution to the problems with everyone in mind, so that those who want to get permits and we can continue to play and enjoy FD's creation. We are all players here. And everyone is equal. Too bad not everyone is willing to put up with the fact that they can't be more equal.
I fly in a universe where I accept that things are out of my control, I have to be mindful of those around me and accept that there are some things I cannot do, not expect to be done on my behalf.

What I cannot do is make a mess for everyone else and expect that nobody ever be allowed to clean it up.
 
Then why did you think setting up shop by a lore system that is an edge case BGS wise a good move? FD have systems earmarked for lore, Peregrina is one and it was only a matter of time before their needs trumped yours.
We have clearly written the reasons, solutions. And given a solution to the situation that can satisfy absolutely everyone here.
 
You seem to think the BGS is all about gardening, where once you have something it can never change. Just with all PMFs or player supported factions if you want to keep your territory you have to defend it.
If you want PAs to be present on multiple systems, you must fight for them.
 
That's what we have been doing, are doing, and will continue to do. The problem is that we're not fighting with honest players, but with a silly and one-sided solution to the problem. It is enough to cut off PA from BGS in HIP 18609, leaving the issuance of permits and that's it, everyone is happy. Peace, ponies, rainbows.
There are no 'honest players' in the BGS, a system thats deliberately obfuscated and abstracted :D The BGS does not care what you do and every player is seen as the same.

You have a permit system with interesting lore driving people to want the permit, with FD having the option to use Peregrina in the future. Just like other factions that spread like weeds you have to keep them at bay. In this case you can't with a lore based system so perhaps why not guide PA away instead?
 
There are no 'honest players' in the BGS, a system thats deliberately obfuscated and abstracted :D The BGS does not care what you do and every player is seen as the same.

You have a permit system with interesting lore driving people to want the permit, with FD having the option to use Peregrina in the future. Just like other factions that spread like weeds you have to keep them at bay. In this case you can't with a lore based system so perhaps why not guide PA away instead?
No one is suggesting complete removal of the PA and the lore system. We proposed to keep issuing permissions to everyone who wants them, not to touch Peregrina, but also not to let the PA megaship interfere with the gameplay of our group and our comrades. I'm not talking about the cruelty of the world with you or philosophy, but a specific game-technical situation that can and should be solved with everyone's position in mind. Which we have already painted repeatedly.
 
If you want PAs to be present on multiple systems, you must fight for them.
Its the BGS- for a lot of people (and its a lot- i.e. outside the bubble of hard core BGS players) once a faction gains traction people don't care who it is as long as it gives top missions while benefiting from data drops and trade. Some just float to the top with no one guiding them.
 
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