General / Off-Topic Why there no life after death, when we are not alive at all

[VR] optimal_909

[VR] optimal_909
SpaceIsHuge said:
Lol its not. Its just too chaotic to predict. But its deterministic too. Otherwise how quantum pcs are working and giving same results.
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Well, within the quantum realm it is impossible to both measure the speed and location of a subatomic particle - called Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. This is why the location of even a single electron is always displayed as a cloud around an atom.
It was observed that firing a single electron produced wave pattern which means it has travelled all possible routes - once you try to observe it however, it will appear in one seemingly random location.

Not sure how quantum computing works*, but some aspects of particles like spin are constant.
* Obvisouly I don't claim to know how quantum mechanics work either, simply at one point I read books by Hawking, Davies and Penrose that can be digested by mere mortals.

The bottom line is that there is a veiled aspect of the world we live in, which remains random from our perspective.
 

SpaceIsHuge

SpaceIsHuge
[VR] optimal_909 said:
Well, within the quantum realm it is impossible to both measure the speed and location of a subatomic particle - called Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. This is why the location of even a single electron is always displayed as a cloud around an atom.
It was observed that firing a single electron produced wave pattern which means it has travelled all possible routes - once you try to observe it however, it will appear in one seemingly random location.

Not sure how quantum computing works*, but some aspects of particles like spin are constant.
* Obvisouly I don't claim to know how quantum mechanics work either, simply at one point I read books by Hawking, Davies and Penrose that can be digested by mere mortals.

The bottom line is that there is a veiled aspect of the world we live in, which remains random from our perspective.
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It doesnt appear in random location. Its just our primitive monkey measurement sucks. It appear always where it should be. Always. Believe to USSR banned secret experiments.

Ok Im just joking about USSR experiments.
 

SpaceIsHuge

SpaceIsHuge
Actually, to being concrete too much resources wasted for nothing, new smartphones, new pcs, new fake ( . )( . ) (actually thats good). But 1% of earth resources are spend on expansion in space, and this is worrying me most, as an non-deteministic being (I believe I am).
 
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dannysquid

dannysquid
SpaceIsHuge said:
Lol its not. Its just too chaotic to predict. But its deterministic too. Otherwise how quantum pcs are working and giving same results.
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I don't think it is. (Although I only ever understand the sentence I'm currently reading about quantum physics and maybe a couple of sentences back.) The uncertainty is real and not just down to the limitations of our measuring devices.

Although if we think conscious experience is generated in the brain, and that there's no such thing as absolute current time then I think we all get to live permanently in each moment of our lives forever. Or something. Which might be cool.
 

Gauntlet

Gauntlet
SpaceIsHuge said:
We're made of atoms, right? Atoms are dead, so we are too.
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Your initial premise is false. Atoms are not "dead" that would imply that at some point they were 'alive'. And 'living' things are not simply the aggregate of many atoms, they are an emergent property of the flow of energy through matter. Living things are a dynamic arrangement of matter held in patterns by energy flowing towards greater entropy.

In the end though life will exist for such an insignificantly brief moment of time over the course of an unfathomably long duration of the existence of the universe that it may as well have not existed at all. To that end, all life is utterly meaningless at the grand cosmic scale and if we were to judge the universe based on what occurred throughout most of its existence we'd probably say it existed for black holes to evaporate.

Or not, maybe it's all a simulation or the fevered dream of a hyper intelligent face flannel in some higher dimension 🤷‍♂️
 

SpaceIsHuge

SpaceIsHuge
dannysquid said:
I don't think it is. (Although I only ever understand the sentence I'm currently reading about quantum physics and maybe a couple of sentences back.) The uncertainty is real and not just down to the limitations of our measuring devices.

Although if we think conscious experience is generated in the brain, and that there's no such thing as absolute current time then I think we all get to live permanently in each moment of our lives forever. Or something. Which might be cool.
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Our conscious is outside of our brain. Think it as a driver of your body, that is connected until you die. Then it depends how good or bad you was in your prev life. And you can respawn as a bug too, lol. Thats why I appreciate my life and you should too. Dudes, this is a one chance of eternity to be a sentient human being and enjoy life after all! After 2020... Woohoo!!!!!
 

Stealthie

Stealthie
SpaceIsHuge said:
We're made of atoms, right? Atoms are dead, so we are too.
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Well, there's your problem, right there.

You might as well say that atoms aren't mobile phones and therefore mobile phones don't exist.

The reality is that atoms are simply "building blocks" and the clever bit is how they're used.

A lot of people get hung up on the whole "spark of life" thing but the reality is far broader.
I mean, it's easy to consider what makes a living person different to a dollop of tofu but you also need to consider how/why everything is alive, from bacteria to plants and grass as well as animals while other things are not.

Clearly, there's something that allows various things to reproduce and grow more things similar to itself whereas other things are just inert.

I deliberately use the word "grow" there because, theoretically, a robot that's building more robots to build more robots might be classed as "alive" based on it's ability to reproduce but if the newly created thing is assembled rather than grown, I supect that doesn't really qualify as "life".

Kind of interesting, though.
I mean, if a robot was capable of harvesting raw materials and then using them to improve itself, I guess it could be argued that was a similar process to how a living thing "grows".
 

hairychris

hairychris
o2thaZ said:
No definition needed. You know what it means.
NPC's don't follow their own plan they follow a programmed one.

Do you have a mind of your own? Or do you follow a pre programmed path?
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I don't look at other people in terms of NPC so a definition is absolutely needed. Everyone follows a programmed path. Or no-one does. Depends on how you look at things.

Are you attempting to dehumanize people that you disagree with by saying that they don't have agency while you do?

That is not a path that you want to go down. The same argument could be made against you as your claim is arbitrary.

(And if I read it right this is getting political... which isn't allowed on these forums. 'Othering' is bad as, well, the entirity of human history can demonstrate. And treating people with opposing views as less than human is very much not good)
 
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