Umm... you know most of us here are critical of FD as well when they drop the ball right?
Sorry if that breaks your theory.
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Umm... you know most of us here are critical of FD as well when they drop the ball right?
Sorry if that breaks your theory.
Because $500 million and 9 years of development for a 1 of 100 systems alpha is acceptable, like when did people set their expectations so low?
It's so ironic trying to throw shade at Braben when Roberts has been practically MIA from any involvement with his "baby" for years now. The guy can't even be bothered to pen up thank you letters for $100 million milestones...
This is just hilarious and bordering on delusional. Mega fans in the SC community brook no criticism towards the game and will actively hound out other people that try to voice complaints. They spend tens of thousands of dollars rewarding CIG for barely any progress and act as though 'it's done when it's done' is a perfectly valid view to take 9 years after development started. The Elite community are considerably critical by comparison.
You should worry about your own house instead of trying to find fault elsewhere.
Its not hate, but I think AA repeatedly and consistently crosses a line you shouldnt cross. People here like to mock Joe Blobbers, and while is as fanatical and obsessive as AA, he never speculates about other people's private lives. He doesn't post photos of people who dislike SC. He doesn't go around twitter to look if people who disagree with him said something silly. He doesnt say he wants things to go wrong, burn down and fail miserably. Apparently that doesn't matters because Joe Blobbers is in the other tribe, and AA is in ours. But sorry, I dont play by those rules. Joe Blobber is the civilized version of AA, and I'd personally prefer to disagree with people who are actually present rather than gossip and point behind people's back. But thats a concept thats been long gone here.
So you can throw your stones at this apostate and continue to ridicule random dudes on twitter, twitch, youtube or other forums. The world is big enough for two cults.
Of course JB doesn't say he wants things to fail, he's on the other side, he wants them to succeed, and he's willing to lie through his teeth to see that it does. I'm not sure why you're holding him up as some sort of good example.
I admit, i've crossed the line sometimes. I've even had the odd telling off from moderators. But you're also saying things that do not apply to me. I've already told you i don't go around twitter looking for people who say something silly. I can't abide twitter and don't have an account on it. Others do though, and i repost some of the funnier stuff here.
You, however, are spending an awful lot of time and energy "hating" on me. Are you an Agony "hater"? Do i now have my own anti-fan club?
You see, its easy enough to throw around the "hate" label, because i'm sure (or at least hope) you don't hate me. You're trying to shine a light on something you see as being bad. Oh, wait a minute, so am i, with my talk about CIG.
You know Ian, me and you, we're perhaps not so different after all
There's a problem with this "Elitte fanboyism attacking SC" narrative (ironic from the perspective of a SC "fanboy" posting on the Elite forums, but anyway ...).
You see it's not just Elite players who laugh at SC and it's exploitative (scam) funding model and assets-before-design upside down development. It's gamers and games journos. A subset are ED players, of course. A small subset.
The same can't be said about ED. There's no widespread lolling at fdev in the wider gaming community, mostly just indifference to a game - and genre - most don't play.
Why? What elevates SC in awareness? The things we here laugh at, myself and Agony_Aunt for sure. It's hilarious.
I will happily bet you that every person who’s posted in this thread has criticised that very thing.
You’re just making silly tribal stuff up to explain away the criticism that SC gets in a neat and simplistic way.
But what if… And go with me now on this crazy journey… What if… Not every single criticism of SC on the internet stemmed from an attempt to defend ED?
What if there were some other reasons…
Oooo. Spooky eh?
Video of man struggling with SC bugs underlines terribleness of ED?
Not that I really need to point out what’s silly there, but it is slightly undercut by the same guy streaming EDO just now
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Are they? Is that why some make posts berating those who were disgruntled with Frontier due to the state of Odyssey release telling them that it was time to let go after a month? Seems like clear case of double standards going on by some here.
SC has many flaws like ED and every other game has them but it also has many qualities or else it wouldn't keep going like they have and have people playing them.
But for some reason some here, who would be supposedly Elite players, don't seem to care as much that Frontier misses multiple release dates, ignores promised features, condescends it's players for wanting those promised features, sells parts of the company to china, models it's gameplay systems to focus on grind to prey on arx buyers and so on. But they care if SC reduces the number of trees of a planet.
I'd say that's kinda what got me puzzled and made me, and some others I guess, jump jumped into SC as an alternative or way to vent Odyssey frustrations and ended up becoming pleasantly surprised that not only was indeed playable but also much more engaging and alive than Elite universe ever felt. They are basically 2 space games with completely opposite notions of what's fun to play. It's not even about the graphics, although those are shockingly better, specially in the planetary side and ship department. But the options of gameplay and how they are interlinked and we, as space pilots are allowed to interact and engage with each other, lawfully and unlawfully. I don't feel I'm playing a disconnected module there, it's all part of the same universe, as small as it is and as low populated as it is, it feels alive and always changing, making you want to come back despite the crashes.
Also might explain why so many that dislike it seem attached to it emotionally and even watch streamers playing it. No wonder it has more viewers than elite, even mega elite fans watch it.
Pretty good, improving by the day...still some mobility issues due to the atrophy of 40% of her muscle mass but we're getting there
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That post has so much wrong in it that it is actually hard to choose a preferred spot to start with
But I ll have a go at this one. Why, pray, would that be a point to solicit one‘s righteous ire and wrath? It’s their company to do as they please no? I mean, it’s not as if the company had bragged for years about being fully independent from evil investors, 100% funded solely by crowdfunding and had pledged to use all those funds into development, only to end up needing 60+ millions from investors to get out of the red and then distributing “dividends” to said investors and owners before even releasing a single product, no?
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Both of them, yes...they were doing it anyway but now it's officially theirs to make or break
Where to begin.
1) a relatively small number of whales spend big, repeatedly. Basic package owners are not enough to keep SC going, this long or in the future.
2) even with the whales who buy the latest new thing, they have still required outside investment to stay afloat.
What is the link between grind and real money purchases in SC? Buying ships to negate the grind required to earn them in game, when the game releases? (lol)
One of the two is buy to win, but it isn't the one selling arx. I see pots and kettles again.
I don't understand what this means.
It keeps going for 2 reasons, in the absence of a released product :
1) a relatively small number of whales spend big, repeatedly. Basic package owners are not enough to keep SC going, this long or in the future.
2) even with the whales who buy the latest new thing, they have still required outside investment to stay afloat.
I love this. "Misses multiple release dates" ie moved RELEASE back 6 months or a year, as opposed to never releasing 2 games. And hasn't fdev actually released 4 or 5 games in the same period SC has been in development? Pots and kettles.
What is the link between grind and arx purchases? Does paying real money negate the grind? No.
What is the link between grind and real money purchases in SC? Buying ships to negate the grind required to earn them in game, when the game releases? (lol)
One of the two is buy to win, but it isn't the one selling arx. I see pots and kettles again.
I don't care?
You know it's okay to like SC? Don't worry about it. If I were you I wouldn't care what people in a forum for a different game thought about your favourite game.
I don't watch SC, and I don't play it. I watch SalteMike cos I like the guy, but not any other SC. I also don't watch anybody playing ED, very boring. I do watch Buur recap videos.
Someone who doesn't play but is critical day after day for several years is someone who ... doesn't play but is critical.
I mean this hater thing is bizarre.
I find flat earthers hilarious. I watch science channels, scimandan for example, who points out where they are wrong, and explains the actual scientific facts to his audience.
Does scimandan "hate" flat earthers? I wouldn't imagine so. Do I? No, I find it ridiculous and amusing. Why would I hate people I disagree with, just because I disagree with them?
People need to stop accusing others of "hate" for not holding the same opinion.
I've no idea where I fit into all this...I've forked out a fair bit of cash on it, play for hours every day... and I've been critical of it every single day since December 2015
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That's a lot of words that can be safely summarised with:
"I don't like what the dozen or so people post in this forum thread, including those that play SC regularly, so I'm gonna tar them all with the same brush and call them hypocritical for not complaining about Elite too, which they all have if I could be bothered to check their profiles, but I won't, because lazily whining about haters, and because Elite bad so SC good, and a thousand stream viewers is equivalent to tens of thousands of concurrent players, all because it's easier and reasons. Or something. This also includes me as I post here too, oh dang it. What's Sandra up to?"
I ordered a pizza today. Despite my order, the whole thing was an undercooked slab of dough with what seemed like ketchup (or catsup, if that's your thing) smeared on it with up to (but not more than) 10 shreds of mozzarella cheese. Also, big slabs of green bell pepper all over it (which was not part of my order, but I guess it was an "added feature" I never asked for, but should be thankful I received).
And man, I'm just glad it arrived early (well, early for this place - it usually arrives 40 minutes late and is stone cold), because it gave me time to drive around to every other restaurant serving similar food - not just pizzas, but places that sell Mexican food as well, because that's a flat bread-type cuisine with meat and vegetables, just so I felt I wasn't being hypocritical or a "hater" for singling out the one restaurant I gave money to, that happened to royally screw up the thing they advertised, that I paid to be delivered.
Buy an Idris.
And man, I'm just glad it arrived early (well, early for this place - it usually arrives 40 minutes late and is stone cold), because it gave me time to drive around to every other restaurant serving similar food - not just pizzas, but places that sell Mexican food as well, because that's a flat bread-type cuisine with meat and vegetables, just so I felt I wasn't being hypocritical or a "hater" for singling out the one restaurant I gave money to, that happened to royally screw up the thing they advertised, that I paid to be delivered.
Buy an Idris.
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Thanks a bunch...4 am and now I've got a craving for pizza
Yes. I've been critical of FD/ED, Viajero definitely has as he created a mega thread about some of his criticisms with FD/ED. There are a few goons here who have been highly critical of FD/ED, especially over on SA.
Again, sorry if this breaks your belief, but its true.
As has been stated many times, the state of ED and what FD do is not connected to the state of SC and what CIG do, but it is quite possible for people to be a fan of both or a detractor of both, with a majority probably sitting somewhere in-between, offering reasonable critique as they see fit.
We already went around with this, its a misuse of the language but its convenient to demonize those who you disagree with. Labels have been used to demonize people throughout history by those who didn't agree with other people. Labels are easy. Its why i personally prefer to avoid calling a certain type of backer cultists, because its too harsh for the majority, but i need a word to describe those who believe that CIG will deliver on their dreams, which is why i go with the much softer "faithful". Its not ideal, but easier than typing out "people who seem to have an unreasonable level of belief that CIG will deliver on their promises" every single time
Perhaps you can find a different word for "people who are critical of CIG day after day" that doesn't ascribe emotions that don't exist to people, and also drop the "SC" from SC hater, because its not the game that most people have an issue with. At least get that part right, make it a CIG "hater". Although i'd prefer CIG critic.