Blast from the past
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Do miss the old Redacted Pod Casts with Bored Twerk and Saurus
Do miss the old Redacted Pod Casts with Bored Twerk and Saurus
Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12
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Star Citizen developer plans 1000-person Manchester mega studio
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I think they're shifting business to real estate development projects. And now that Boris got rid of the Eastern European workers they probably don't need to fear angry people with heavy wrenches coming to argue about unpaid wages into the office. Which they wouldn't find because it's on Jersey.Interesting-
Star Citizen developer plans 1000-person Manchester mega studio
Star Citizen and Squadron 42 developer Cloud Imperium Games plans to open a huge new studio in Manchester, making it on…
Disgusting, how dare you play a male character?!My created character in the new PTU patch...sans clothing..
In a blur of political correctness and multiculturism, how my character appears in game
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Star Citizen developer plans 1000-person Manchester mega studio
Star Citizen and Squadron 42 developer Cloud Imperium Games plans to open a huge new studio in Manchester, making it on…
First Frankfurt, now Manchester. Now, call me a crusty old skeptic, but the construction industry is one of the most corrupt out there and well known to be used for money laundering and other illegal practices (in relation to the Frankfurt office, as i understand the Manchester office is just taking over an existing building).
But nobody can accuse CIG of not being oprtimistic... however, once again, i call into question investing in office space at a time when WFH is becoming more and more popular thanks to COVID and many people not wanting to return to office life even when they are allowed to.
I like this line:
Ortwin knows how it goes.First Frankfurt, now Manchester. Now, call me a crusty old skeptic, but the construction industry is one of the most corrupt out there and well known to be used for money laundering and other illegal practices (in relation to the Frankfurt office, as i understand the Manchester office is just taking over an existing building).
But nobody can accuse CIG of not being oprtimistic... however, once again, i call into question investing in office space at a time when WFH is becoming more and more popular thanks to COVID and many people not wanting to return to office life even when they are allowed to.
I like this line:
We recently questioned whether a poster was joking or serious and its damn hard to tell sometimes. Well, here's another one.
It can't be real can it? It must be a parody... nobody could be so un-selfaware.
It can't be real can it? It must be a parody... nobody could be so un-selfaware.
He said it, it's dogding. Exponential dogding.We recently questioned whether a poster was joking or serious and its damn hard to tell sometimes. Well, here's another one.
It can't be real can it? It must be a parody... nobody could be so un-selfaware.
Chris just wants to brute force his way through this no matter the time or cost to backers, instead of admitting that he sold a whole bunch of people a pipedream.
We can't make the game with $500 million, 750 staff and 9 years so lets see if we can do it with $1 billion, 1500 staff and 20 years!!
We can't make the game with $500 million, 750 staff and 9 years so lets see if we can do it with $1 billion, 1500 staff and 20 years!!
Actually, what the hell is CIG doing?
They plan 1000 people in Manchester. They have the US offices. They are opening a new big office in Frankfurt.
How are they going to pay for all this? We know their income vs expenses isn't great based no estimates and their own financials. Growing with so many additional staff without an increase in income (pledges, subscriptions, etc) would destroy them financially.
I wonder, does this mean Chris thinks SQ42 is close to release and its going to be a blockbuster?
They plan 1000 people in Manchester. They have the US offices. They are opening a new big office in Frankfurt.
How are they going to pay for all this? We know their income vs expenses isn't great based no estimates and their own financials. Growing with so many additional staff without an increase in income (pledges, subscriptions, etc) would destroy them financially.
I wonder, does this mean Chris thinks SQ42 is close to release and its going to be a blockbuster?
What amazes me about that screenshot, is that I’ve also been “alpha/tech testing” games since the late 90s, and I’ve played plenty of games that were at SC’s stage of development. CIG is definitely not unique in that regard, and in fact what CIG is doing is called “early access” or a “playable alpha” these days.
Haha, what a fool. How would CIG sell ships if they did that?
Where CIG is a rarity, if not unique, is how they’re executing this type of development of their game(s), which is backwards, fails to utilize the advantages of early access, and extremely wasteful. They’re developing assets long before their core systems are in place. They’re focusing on minutia of detail before their major game loops are in place. And they’re clearly not fully utilizing their player base by providing a stable gaming environment.
Where CIG is (hopefully) unique is their abuse of crowd funding model. It boggles my mind on how blasé backers are generally, regarding the increasingly overt plundering of pledges by the Roberts in their UK company alone. Since that is the only CIG shell company required, by law, to be open about how backers money is spent, it makes me wonder how much they're taking behind closed doors in the rest of their many, many shell companies and CIG as a whole. The creator receiving crowd funding isn’t supposed to personally profit (a living wage, OTOH, is fine) from backers until they’ve fulfilled their promises to their backers. Some of the projects I’ve backed have cost their creators money, with one declaring bankruptcy, while still being successful in their fulfillment of their promises. Sadly, there's nothing illegal about the creative doing so... it's just utterly unethical IMO.
Which is why I still consider Star Citizen to be a bit of a scam, even if it doesn't fit the legal definition, thanks to the magic of Hollywood Accounting, and regulations, especially consumer rights in the United States, not having caught up with the modern phenomenon of crowd funding. It has many of the red flags of the fake business scam IMO. The problem is that those same red flags can be a symptom of incompetence... which is also makes me hesitant to buy back in, after having gotten my money out of this project in the first place.
You take up a loan - and the millions they funneled into their own bank accounts from a decade of director salaries should be enough to cover the equity requirement.
There'll be something else involved...maybe some other IP work or something they've been investigating and keeping quiet....or it's a sweat shop to make fake Gucci leopardskin handbags and rip off Nike trainers...always a market for knock-offs in Manchester
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Star Citizen developer plans 1000-person Manchester mega studio
Star Citizen and Squadron 42 developer Cloud Imperium Games plans to open a huge new studio in Manchester, making it on…
It is odd isn't it...
Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/qqrmav/star_citizen_developer_plans_1000person/hk1yxwy/
Add in all the outsourcing to Turbulent, Firesprite etc, and, their burn rate is set to burn brighter and brighter, sucking up all the oxygen in the room.
I genuinely know nothing about business development, but something about these UK and German office deals does feel like a 'spending this year's budget to ensure next year's' act, rather than a hugely rational one. (At minimum, securing 2 expanded office spaces on a long-term basis, just as the dev world ponders the benefits of hybrid WFH scenarios, is... peculiar
)There'll be something else involved...maybe some other IP work or something they've been investigating and keeping quiet....or it's a sweat shop to make fake Gucci leopardskin handbags and rip off Nike trainers...always a market for knock-offs in Manchester
Space whale plushies!
Call me cynical, but news articles claiming that a business is investing into larger facilities is one of those "red flags" of a fake business I just talked about. They'll pull out later, or default on their commitment, or if they've got a decent lawyer, they'll pull some kind of legal shenanigans to get out of it before they lose money. Legitimate businesses also pull this same kind of crap to get governments to give them money and tax breaks, using similar tactics.
Maybe CiG feel its time to ramp up production of those 100 systems?It is odd isn't it...
Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/qqrmav/star_citizen_developer_plans_1000person/hk1yxwy/
Add in all the outsourcing to Turbulent, Firesprite etc, and, their burn rate is set to burn brighter and brighter, sucking up all the oxygen in the room.
I genuinely know nothing about business development, but something about these UK and German office deals does feel like a 'spending this year's budget to ensure next year's' act, rather than a hugely rational one. (At minimum, securing 2 expanded office spaces on a long-term basis, just as the dev world ponders the benefits of hybrid WFH scenarios, is... peculiar
But thats a lot of cash needed. Part of me thinks this is actually some sort of corporate feint because it makes no sense really, not in the context of WFH / unpredictable financials.
It is odd isn't it...
Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/qqrmav/star_citizen_developer_plans_1000person/hk1yxwy/
Add in all the outsourcing to Turbulent, Firesprite etc, and, their burn rate is set to burn brighter and brighter, sucking up all the oxygen in the room.
I genuinely know nothing about business development, but something about these UK and German office deals does feel like a 'spending this year's budget to ensure next year's' act, rather than a hugely rational one. (At minimum, securing 2 expanded office spaces on a long-term basis, just as the dev world ponders the benefits of hybrid WFH scenarios, is... peculiar
Maybe Chris just feels like he has to have an office that meets the standards he is used to for when he is the UK?
The mayor of Manchester isn't going to be happy if it is. He's now on record saying how wonderful it is that CIG is going to create all these new jobs.
The other question is: do you think CiG are going to close Texas / FFurt down and consolidate?