New 25 essential habitat animals META-WISHLIST

[OkapiFan]

If we get aviaries, maybe everyone could post another list of like 15 avian animals and then we can just add them to the list. I don't know if that could work it's just my idea.

 

[leehonglocal]

There will most likely be a new one around Xmas, after the next DLC. Considering there should be at least 4 more DLCs after Xmas, that could potentially mean 20-25 more habitat animals (let's say we get two more animal packs and two more scenery packs = 22 habitat animals). I might go for 25 animals then. And aviary birds are obviously on the radar.

I'm also re-thinking the whole grouping and category issue, but honestly I still think the best solution is going by the scientific animal species category (with the exception of subspecies of already in-game animals + domestic breeds). Any other 'animal group' category might be too artificial and not scientifically accurate.
This being said, I might allow votes for broader, more generic animal categories next time, but those votes would go to an additional 'generic animals' list. Another option is not tallying the 'generic votes' (eg. lynx) until I'm finished with the list and then adding them to the most requested species (eg. Eurasian lynx) within that 'generic animal group' (eg. lynx) instead of doing it 'on the go'. The downside of this is that it might take another 6 months to get the next iteration finished (so we reach a decent sample size) and until then all the 'generic votes' would be missing, hence there would be missing information that should be very precious given that PZ devs work way ahead of time. I don't really see how a new final version of the meta-wishlist would be useful in June 2022 if support doesn't go beyond Xmas 2022.

So will Planet Zoo have like 100-101 habitat species (and subspecies like tigers, grey wolves and brown bears) or more altogether?

 

[leehonglocal]

If we get aviaries, maybe everyone could post another list of like 15 avian animals and then we can just add them to the list. I don't know if that could work it's just my idea.

I would rather like/want to see of Planet Zoo will have these first before aviaries for flyers. African leopard, dromedary camel, and gibbon.

 

[scullivan]

Sorry I don’t have the energy to go back through all the posts, have the NA pack animals all been taken off the list? I was curious to see where they ranked

 

[Doran]

Sorry I don’t have the energy to go back through all the posts, have the NA pack animals all been taken off the list? I was curious to see where they ranked

It is second post on this thread.

 

[Jason219]

This is tottally true. And it sort of worries me a bit. I highly doubt a new meta-wishlist thread will reach such a high number of participants (close to 300 right now).
That's why I'm considering other options and re-thinking the categorization method.

I agree with you. In my opinion it's not broken. But it's true that quite some people have asked for a list with broader animal groups like lynx, gazelle, gibbon, etc. Another important reason why I might give this a shot is because of what @nutrit wrote above. I doubt a new wishlist will become as successful and meaningful as this one.
The problem I see with moving from scientific species to 'animal groups' is how do you define an 'animal group', or essentially where do you draw the line to make two animals fall into different groups.
Example 1: Some people might think grouping all the gibbons (Hylobatidae family) under a generic 'gibbon' group is what should be done because they don't care what gibbon they'd get and therefore the 'gibbon' would be higher on the list. But then we have other people who don't agree to group all the gibbons because they want a very specific species (eg. siamang). On top of that, there are people who, given the chance to choose 20 animals, they'd include 2 or even 3 gibbon species there. This would pretty much ruin the purpose of grouping species.
Imagine the above example applied to dozens of groups of other animals. People can think differently about grouping gazelles, lynxes, rodents, cervids, etc.
Example 2: Some people might think the capybara (one species) is unique enough that deserves to be grouped apart from any other rodents or members of the Caviidae family. Wouldn't this involve treating other speices which are grouped into broader categories (eg. gibbon) unfairly? What exactly would make certain animals belong to an artificial group of several species or be the only species within their artificial group? From the moment you deviate from the scientific consensus about categorizing animals, problems arise for every particular animal.

I would personally say just leave the list exactly as you have it, but add the "animal groupings" as a separate count.

Like I know even when just sorting US states, there'll sometimes be an unnumbered slot for DC or Puerto Rico, or when listing countries, sometimes I've seen them list things like "European Union" as an unnumbered entry.

You could still count gibbons by individual species, but simply have a banner for "Any Gibbon."

But ultimately it's entirely up to you.

 

[MagnoliaMagpie]

Welcome to the forum and the communuty Always good to see new faces and have more people advocate for what we still need in this game.

Thanks you. I appreciate it and look forward to being a part of this.

 

[avietar]

My only concern with creating new list is that a lot of people who participated once won’t be interested in doing it again or won’t even know about a new list. A lot of people logged on this forum just to post their lists and they are not active members of the community

Very true. Then perhaps allow a new list if people would like to update their own choices?

I do very much like the idea of two separate lists: one with specifically named species and one with general categories. The general list could show at a glance which kind of animals are highly requested, and the specific list shows the exact most requested species.

For example: (with fictive examples)

Specific list			General list
Capybara	170		Deer (red, fallow, pere david, axis...)	260
Red deer	150		Bear (Eurasian brown, spectacled, sloth...)	250
Eurasian brown bear	140		Lynx (Eurasian, Iberian, bobcat, canadian)	230
West Indian manatee	120		Rodent (capybara, mara, hare...)	210
Southern tamandua	110		Manatee (west Indian...)	150
Eurasian lynx	100		Etc.
Spectacled bear	90
Fallow deer	85
Iberian lynx	80

 

[random goat]

Thanks for your suggestions guys. I took note of your ideas and it's likely that I'll implement some of them like the general list or allowing people to vote for additional animals. It would require some work, but given the success of the current meta-wishlist, I think this might be better than starting a new one from scratch (since it's likely it won't be as succesful). Will keep you posted!

 

[random goat]

Sorry I don’t have the energy to go back through all the posts, have the NA pack animals all been taken off the list? I was curious to see where they ranked

It is second post on this thread.
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To add to this: the NA pack animals were ranking 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 40 and 55 on the list on the day the DLC was announced.

 

[nutrit]

If we get aviaries, maybe everyone could post another list of like 15 avian animals and then we can just add them to the list. I don't know if that could work it's just my idea.

This is just an amazing idea. If we would be able to have flying animals/birds let’s add them to the existing list.
It won’t affect the existing list and would be a solution for people who are crazy about the birds and want them on the meta wishlist.

 

[nutrit]

Here are 7 most wanted birds from the meta wishlist:

Emu 86
Secretary bird 74
Grey Crowned Crane 44
Shoebill 40
Kiwi 38
Pelican 25
Mute swan 20

I think first 4 have good chances be a part of the game but I must tell that even that we can post here only birds that doesn’t require flying mechanics, they are still very mediocre in popularity.
Maybe birds are not so popular as I always thought? Because if they were the lists would at least be full of cranes, storks, ducks, pelicans and paleognaths

 

[random goat]

I've updated the meta-wishlist with the latest 7 contributions and 10 new animals!
I've also added a Top 30 general list of grouped animals in the OP.

 

[yoav_r]

Here are 7 most wanted birds from the meta wishlist:

Emu 86
Secretary bird 74
Grey Crowned Crane 44
Shoebill 40
Kiwi 38
Pelican 25
Mute swan 20

I think first 4 have good chances be a part of the game but I must tell that even that we can post here only birds that doesn’t require flying mechanics, they are still very mediocre in popularity.
Maybe birds are not so popular as I always thought? Because if they were the lists would at least be full of cranes, storks, ducks, pelicans and paleognaths

I think birds suffer from underrepresentation both in captivity and in oler zoo titles, so general audiences are less familiar with them.

 

[Swjosdotschka]

Thanks for your suggestions guys. I took note of your ideas and it's likely that I'll implement some of them like the general list or allowing people to vote for additional animals. It would require some work, but given the success of the current meta-wishlist, I think this might be better than starting a new one from scratch (since it's likely it won't be as succesful). Will keep you posted!

Honestly, do you have a patreon or paypal or something like that? I'd love to at least spend you a coffee! I have no doubt that it is because of the meta-wishlist and your work that we get more and more animals that we really want. Your time and effort is so important for the community and reading that you indeed don't want to start over from scratch because we would lose important data (e.g. higher numbre of players participating) is really relieving.

So, if there is any other way to thank you than to just shower you with praise, please let us know!

 

[avietar]

This was really difficult! I ended up copying my previous list of 30 animals, minus the new Africa pack animals, and ended up omitting most of the antelopes I want. So here is my 20 essential habitat animals wishlist!

1. Capybara
2. Red deer
3. Alpine Ibex
4. Tasmanian devil
5. Arctic fox
6. Saiga antelope
7. West Indian manatee
8. Nilgai
9. European badger
10. Przewalski horse
11. Moose
12. Takin
13. Giant eland
14. Maned wolf
15. Red fox
16. Ocelot
17. Lynx
18. Serval
19. Chamois
20. Musk ox

This was my old list, submitted on June 15th.

Almost half a year has passed and I'd like to change my list, if that is possible? I suppose you could detract the votes above, and then add my new votes?

1. Red deer
2. Alpine ibex
3. Chamois
4. European badger
5. Przwalski horse
6. Fallow deer (either common or Persian, fine with either)
7. Lynx (either Eurasian or Iberian, fine with either)
8. Golden takin
9. Saiga antelope
10. Musk ox
11. Tasmanian devil
12. Yellow footed rock wallaby
13. Capybara
14. Patagonian mara
15. Maned wolf
16. Caracal
17. Collared peccary
18. West Indian manatee
19. Serval
20. European wild cat

 

[Aramar]

Almost half a year has passed and I'd like to change my list, if that is possible? I suppose you could detract the votes above, and then add my new votes?

The thing is that if you are allowed to change your votes, all of us who voted before the NA pack was launched should be also able to change our lists, and that would be too much work for randomgoat. We have to wait until a new list is created or changes are allowed to all users.

 

[nutrit]

I've updated the meta-wishlist with the latest 7 contributions and 10 new animals!
I've also added a Top 30 general list of grouped animals in the OP.

The top 30 general list is the best idea ever. Thank you man! You are the best

I was just thinking about antelopes in general and summing them up might also give a nice number. Not sure if you forgot about them or the sum number is really not that big

 

[avietar]

The thing is that if you are allowed to change your votes, all of us who voted before the NA pack was launched should be also able to change our lists, and that would be too much work for randomgoat. We have to wait until a new list is created or changes are allowed to all users.

I figured why not ask, and randomgoat can decide what they want to do.

I'm not sure if a new list will be created at all, due to all the data that's already gone into this list. I was one of the first people to submit a list back in the day, and a lot of time has passed since then. So if there isn't gonna be another list (which I think makes total sense) then there needs to be a way to update the old votes. There could be simple rules for this to make things easier. For instance: a vote list must be at least 4 months old if you want to change your vote. Something like that.

How do you feel about this, @random goat ?

 

[Swjosdotschka]

What would also be important is, that you can not replace animals from your list that were added with a DLC. It would mess up with the reliability of the data as it would result in a lot of "second choices" one would normally not choose as important for the game.