Salvation: Random Guy or NMLA Linked?

[Ytterium]

So with what we know now about Theta 7 and his gang being aboard ships with the Far God cult as well as how Theta-7 has a mysterious backer that got them the enzyme thargoid bombs, it's difficult to now see the NMLA and Salvation plotlines as completely unrelated. Thoughts? Tin Foil Hat theories?

Personally I think Hadrian Duval is Salvation and is also supporting the NMLA. Crazy? Maybe.

 

[Rainbro]

The Far God Cult were introduced on GalNet some time before the current arc of GalNet. They were heavily persecuted for their beliefs, with at least one politician accusing them of being Thargoid spies and encouraging attacks against them. The end result of that particular storyline was that they mostly went into hiding and that the claims of them being spies were debunked. They are ordinary people and not in a position to be the NMLA's benefactors. Similarly to the Marlinists however, their persecution is now being exploited by Theta-7 to avoid detection by hiding amongst them.

There are a couple of practical requirements for the NMLA's benefactor that we can figure out from the NMLA's actions and capabilities.

1) High level of security access in the Empire. This is evidenced by the assassination of Harold Duval, as his travel plans should have been a close secret, as well as the prison break of Serene Harbour, which was explicitly mentioned as requiring top-level security codes with Imperial Intelligence.

2) Access to Thargoid enzymes. There is not a great deal of lore on the process of gathering these but, unless we are to point the finger at Aegis, this probably comes down to simply being very well funded which is a requirement anyway due to the scope of the NMLA's activities. The NMLA were also only a small-scale group before they had access to this funding.

3) Able to bypass security in all three superpowers to bomb the capitals. Not much practical info on how they did this, but it suggests the involvement of the Club, as few other candidates span multiple superpowers in this way.

Neither the Far God Cult nor Hadrian match these requirements. Hadrian in particular has a number of other factors that suggest he isn't the benefactor even if he theoretically could - he's been fighting the NMLA, his political stance is the opposite of Marlinism, he's a Duval, he's been shot by them, he's been bombed by them, they've tried to frame him as the leader of their Duval-killing group after he helped defeat a group of them...

My guess is that the benefactor is Chancellor Blaine, possibly working with Senator Scordato. He has the access required and has connections to multiple assassination attempts on the previous Emperor. I've previously written another post on this, which also has links and evidence for the rest of this post.

 

[Mong Morg]

Semper Salus!
Salvitori Vult!
He hath shown the way, we tread the path!
Deny the Far God Blasphemers their gods!

Salvation has nothing to do with nmla, nmla focus on internal policy, Salvation focuses on the ACTUAL political situation of Humanity vs the Thargoids, not internal distractions engineered for Jedermann. Note his silence on the T Tauri invasion, such non-events are beneath recognition by one concerned with the existential external situation.

Now is time to FORGET Federal and Imperial, Alliance and Independent. Now is the time for action! For Salvation! For Humanity!

Tbh though events are beginning to align, I heard a rumor a Far God megaships will be in the same system as a TMV megaships in a week or so, maybe something interesting will happen.

 

[Mong Morg]

The Far God Cult were introduced on GalNet some time before the current arc of GalNet. They were heavily persecuted for their beliefs, with at least one politician accusing them of being Thargoid spies and encouraging attacks against them. The end result of that particular storyline was that they mostly went into hiding and that the claims of them being spies were debunked. They are ordinary people and not in a position to be the NMLA's benefactors. Similarly to the Marlinists however, their persecution is now being exploited by Theta-7 to avoid detection by hiding amongst them.

There are a couple of practical requirements for the NMLA's benefactor that we can figure out from the NMLA's actions and capabilities.

1) High level of security access in the Empire. This is evidenced by the assassination of Harold Duval, as his travel plans should have been a close secret, as well as the prison break of Serene Harbour, which was explicitly mentioned as requiring top-level security codes with Imperial Intelligence.

2) Access to Thargoid enzymes. There is not a great deal of lore on the process of gathering these but, unless we are to point the finger at Aegis, this probably comes down to simply being very well funded which is a requirement anyway due to the scope of the NMLA's activities. The NMLA were also only a small-scale group before they had access to this funding.

3) Able to bypass security in all three superpowers to bomb the capitals. Not much practical info on how they did this, but it suggests the involvement of the Club, as few other candidates span multiple superpowers in this way.

Neither the Far God Cult nor Hadrian match these requirements. Hadrian in particular has a number of other factors that suggest he isn't the benefactor even if he theoretically could - he's been fighting the NMLA, his political stance is the opposite of Marlinism, he's a Duval, he's been shot by them, he's been bombed by them, they've tried to frame him as the leader of their Duval-killing group after he helped defeat a group of them...

My guess is that the benefactor is Chancellor Blaine, possibly working with Senator Scordato. He has the access required and has connections to multiple assassination attempts on the previous Emperor. I've previously written another post on this, which also has links and evidence for the rest of this post.

This seems more reasonable. NMLA are strictly policy oriented. More likely an internal cell grown cancerous than Salvation.

 

[insanephoton]

The Far God Cult were introduced on GalNet some time before the current arc of GalNet. They were heavily persecuted for their beliefs, with at least one politician accusing them of being Thargoid spies and encouraging attacks against them. The end result of that particular storyline was that they mostly went into hiding and that the claims of them being spies were debunked. They are ordinary people and not in a position to be the NMLA's benefactors. Similarly to the Marlinists however, their persecution is now being exploited by Theta-7 to avoid detection by hiding amongst them.

There are a couple of practical requirements for the NMLA's benefactor that we can figure out from the NMLA's actions and capabilities.

1) High level of security access in the Empire. This is evidenced by the assassination of Harold Duval, as his travel plans should have been a close secret, as well as the prison break of Serene Harbour, which was explicitly mentioned as requiring top-level security codes with Imperial Intelligence.

2) Access to Thargoid enzymes. There is not a great deal of lore on the process of gathering these but, unless we are to point the finger at Aegis, this probably comes down to simply being very well funded which is a requirement anyway due to the scope of the NMLA's activities. The NMLA were also only a small-scale group before they had access to this funding.

3) Able to bypass security in all three superpowers to bomb the capitals. Not much practical info on how they did this, but it suggests the involvement of the Club, as few other candidates span multiple superpowers in this way.

Neither the Far God Cult nor Hadrian match these requirements. Hadrian in particular has a number of other factors that suggest he isn't the benefactor even if he theoretically could - he's been fighting the NMLA, his political stance is the opposite of Marlinism, he's a Duval, he's been shot by them, he's been bombed by them, they've tried to frame him as the leader of their Duval-killing group after he helped defeat a group of them...

My guess is that the benefactor is Chancellor Blaine, possibly working with Senator Scordato. He has the access required and has connections to multiple assassination attempts on the previous Emperor. I've previously written another post on this, which also has links and evidence for the rest of this post.

I'm not convinced that Theta 7 is amongst the cultists, it just seems too convenient. It was a message designed to be found. It's also so out of date. We apparently 'know' that Theta 7 was in Panjabell at the end of July. Even if Theta 7 did join one of the FGC megahips back then, that doesn't mean that they are still on them.

As for Blaine being the benefactor, I have my doubts. He seemed to be very much the Cardinal Richelieu figure to the previous emperor and was instrumental in getting ALD the top job. I certainly see him as a puppet master, but maybe not for Theta 7. Unless it's a cover to remove the other branches of the Duval line so there is no counter claim. In essence, he already has control of the empire in his hands so why introduce a disruptive element?

 

[Mong Morg]

I'm not convinced that Theta 7 is amongst the cultists, it just seems too convenient. It was a message designed to be found. It's also so out of date. We apparently 'know' that Theta 7 was in Panjabell at the end of July. Even if Theta 7 did join one of the FGC megahips back then, that doesn't mean that they are still on them.

As for Blaine being the benefactor, I have my doubts. He seemed to be very much the Cardinal Richelieu figure to the previous emperor and was instrumental in getting ALD the top job. I certainly see him as a puppet master, but maybe not for Theta 7. Unless it's a cover to remove the other branches of the Duval line so there is no counter claim. In essence, he already has control of the empire in his hands so why introduce a disruptive element?

To a man like Richelieu, ideas are merely pretext for the creation of facts. Tools can be discarded when their usefulness runs out. The symphony of the political machine runs with the silent grinding of gears, a dissonance to highlight the polyphony, think of Napoleon. ACT may play a role in the Empire as of yet unseen.

 

[CMDR Jayce MacLeod]

Plot twist: Salvation is a Thargoid...

 

[Mong Morg]

Plot twist: Salvation is a Thargoid...

And the walls come crumbling down...

Lmao that would really throw me for a loop!

 

[CMDR Jayce MacLeod]

And the walls come crumbling down...

Lmao that would really throw me for a loop!

I've toyed with the idea that "Salvation" is a Thargoid from "the other" faction. Apparently there was at some point in the lore a faction of thargoid that was opposed to the conflict against humans and were actually in conflict agasint their fellow thargoids. (Apolgies if I'm wrong, but I think this was in the lore at some point).

What better way to take down your enemies then to disguise yourself as a third party to invoke that third party agaisnt your enemies....

 

[Mong Morg]

I've toyed with the idea that "Salvation" is a Thargoid from "the other" faction. Apparently there was at some point in the lore a faction of thargoid that was opposed to the conflict against humans and were actually in conflict agasint their fellow thargoids. (Apolgies if I'm wrong, but I think this was in the lore at some point).

What better way to take down your enemies then to disguise yourself as a third party to invoke that third party agaisnt your enemies....

Truly a game of shadows, advance and incite, politics worthy of the Club

 

[Astaran]

So with what we know now about Theta 7 and his gang being aboard ships with the Far God cult as well as how Theta-7 has a mysterious backer that got them the enzyme thargoid bombs, it's difficult to now see the NMLA and Salvation plotlines as completely unrelated. Thoughts? Tin Foil Hat theories?

Personally I think Hadrian Duval is Salvation and is also supporting the NMLA. Crazy? Maybe.

I don't see any real connection (yet). Salvation is "officially" focused on protecting humanity from the Thargoids, while NMLA focuses on Imperial domestic politics. That Theta-7 used the Far God ships to evade ACT could just be a coincidence or even a red herring. It may be a deliberate lure to provoke conflict between ACT and Far God cultists, since for some reason policymakers in the Elite universe seem to be especially hamfisted and "less than subtle" when confronted with such situations.

NMLA received their enzyme bombs from engineer Liz Ryder, albeit under a false pretence (she didn't know who she was helping or what their goals were).

 

[Bottom Hat]

What a cult.

 

[Mong Morg]

I don't see any real connection (yet). Salvation is "officially" focused on protecting humanity from the Thargoids, while NMLA focuses on Imperial domestic politics. That Theta-7 used the Far God ships to evade ACT could just be a coincidence or even a red herring. It may be a deliberate lure to provoke conflict between ACT and Far God cultists, since for some reason policymakers in the Elite universe seem to be especially hamfisted and "less than subtle" when confronted with such situations.

NMLA received their enzyme bombs from engineer Liz Ryder, albeit under a false pretence (she didn't know who she was helping or what their goals were).

Oddly convenient for an exclusive party like an engineer, the same engineers who constantly talk of cmdr's being referenced by other engineers, ye will not even be revealed until the proper parties are contacted... That being said, I do believe Liz Ryder is one of the "public knowledge" engineers, though her anarchic ties to the Mafia bring into question the validity of her words.

 

[Felix DiCestria]

Salvation has the ability to engineer guardian tech to a far greater extent than Aegis (officially?) Hadrian wouldn't have the technical capability.
Ram Tah or a student of his, or the popsicle from the Coalsack. OTOH could be a guardian AI of some description.
Theta 7 OTOH presents as political terrorist masquerading as an apocalyptic cultist, or perhaps an apocalyptic cultist masquerading as a political terrorist?

 

[Mong Morg]

What a cult.

Salvation through Faith, dear brother, bend Actuality into conformity with Reality, stem the Thargoids tide, defeat the Black Flight Fleet. Bring the conclusion into the saga, Azimuth's ghostly heart beats under the floorboards, "Nevermore! Nevermore!"

Nevermore a casualty of Aegis' lies...

 

[Mong Morg]

Salvation has the ability to engineer guardian tech to a far greater extent than Aegis (officially?) Hadrian wouldn't have the technical capability.
Ram Tah or a student of his, or the popsicle from the Coalsack. OTOH could be a guardian AI of some description.
Theta 7 OTOH presents as political terrorist masquerading as an apocalyptic cultist, or perhaps an apocalyptic cultist masquerading as a political terrorist?

Seeing the designs written on the walls? Who is Theta 7? The question remains...

 

[HRDiagram]

Salvation is the Winking Cat.
The Wiking Cat is Theta Seven.
Theta Seven is Hadrian Duval.
Hadrian Duval is Larissa Lavigny-Duval.
Arissa Lavigny-Duval is Jaques.
Jaques is Raxxla.
Raxxla is the Panther Clipper.

I think I've got most covered.

 

[insanephoton]

Salvation is the Winking Cat.
The Wiking Cat is Theta Seven.
Theta Seven is Hadrian Duval.
Hadrian Duval is Larissa Lavigny-Duval.
Arissa Lavigny-Duval is Jaques.
Jaques is Raxxla.
Raxxla is the Panther Clipper.

I think I've got most covered.

What about Gan Romero?

 

[Guyperson]

2) Access to Thargoid enzymes. There is not a great deal of lore on the process of gathering these

I mean... it's not very difficult to convince the Thargoids to provide them.

 

[Banana's_Are_Good_For_You]

I think Salvation is Thargoid friendly since his weapon didn't destroy them. It merely made them run away.
Yet, he seems a bit self obsessed at times and maybe a bit crazy and irresponsible.
I don't think he's a guardian AI but is familar with their tech... maybe touched by it in a way.
Might be Jacques or maybe some long lost Utopian scientist(why Cornsar), or maybe it's just we haven't discovered anything about his past yet and is something new, Human-Thargoid hybrid or hive mind, why do they take escape pods and ppl?.
FGC, T7 and Salvation are an interesting mix. T7 could just be using FGC for goid resources while also stirring up trouble with the goids if stealing their stuff, while FGC are unaware. He does not care what he kills so he may be out there just to tie up some loose ends but probably to get more stuff, either way all about the bombs for him i think...
We might get a FGC leader who's a bit bonkers, that might be fun.
Too early really but i am liking the story as there's quite a lot of options.