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ED Has Forced Me to Seriously Question What Has Happened to Gaming
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Far cry 3 and grand theft auto 5 broke the mould in my opinion, Gta 5 is just dripping with satire and unusual carry on. Far cry 3 was for me a boys own jungle adventure. they are defining moments in an interactive media that can produce breathtaking splendor and moments of nerve shredding tension.
I don't usually buy into sequels but these blew me away.
I don't usually buy into sequels but these blew me away.
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Life is really 1 giant skinner box tho IMO....... And elite has plenty of it, indeed mining in elite is almost text book example IMO....
Not saying I don't like it mind you
Not saying I don't like it mind you
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This bit right here is the part that really matters... what I've seen in general is constant discussion about the efficiency of various tasks instead of the fun value of various tasks. The problem of course is that everyones fun value is self derived and not easily measured against others, but I have always thought it should be more important than if you are making the most money possible.
Yeah - the journey is it's own reward. I'm not a competitive player anymore in the first place, but sometimes, I just strap on the rift, go to a beautiful spot, lean back, light a good cigar, have a sip of Lagavulin and listen to music whilst letting my ship drift.
There are some good games left around, but you have to look for them (e.g. Crusader Kings 2, Banished, X-COM, DCS world, Rise of Flight, Kerbal Space Program, Wasteland 2, Pillars of Eternity and Clockwork Empires are decent/look promising imho).
I agree mainstream triple A titles and all the FTP mess are not aimed at me as an audience and are terrible games from my POV. There are additional reasons for me, but I'm not going to post them to keep the focus on the excellent opening post.
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I see lots of flaws in lots of modern games, and many genres that have stagnated but I think this is too much of a stretch. Put in practice get out lap times? That's like saying practice Tennis become a good Tennis player.. doesn't make sports a waste of time.
I've played a good deal of FIFA in my time and I didn't play it because I was going to get a great ultimate team or something. I played it because I enjoyed playing pretend football matches. There came a point when I enjoyed doing other things more. So I stopped playing FIFA and did the other things.
I've also spent a great deal of time doing "end game" MMO content. That time is wasted in the sense that I didn't gain some new life skill. I didn't gain any lasting assets or make myself fitter or stronger. It's wasted time in the same sense that tomorrow night will be wasted time, only without the liver damage and with a little microcosm of human activity.. an unusual group of people working together toward a common goal.
There is far too much "cookie cutter" game design right now, and many genres could do with an injection of imagination.. even a reminder of how things used to be. Particularly the freedom to mix genres, which used to be very common but now gets people all distressed (we see it a lot on this forum too). However, there are also some great games. There is lots of fun to be had and anyone who is playing games and not having fun has only themselves to blame.
Gaming has exploded since the 80s and 90s and it didn't do that by being bad. The OP like many others here just enjoys Elite : Dangerous more than other games right now. But it is not some fundamental mistake every other game is making.. that's just games.
I've played a good deal of FIFA in my time and I didn't play it because I was going to get a great ultimate team or something. I played it because I enjoyed playing pretend football matches. There came a point when I enjoyed doing other things more. So I stopped playing FIFA and did the other things.
I've also spent a great deal of time doing "end game" MMO content. That time is wasted in the sense that I didn't gain some new life skill. I didn't gain any lasting assets or make myself fitter or stronger. It's wasted time in the same sense that tomorrow night will be wasted time, only without the liver damage and with a little microcosm of human activity.. an unusual group of people working together toward a common goal.
There is far too much "cookie cutter" game design right now, and many genres could do with an injection of imagination.. even a reminder of how things used to be. Particularly the freedom to mix genres, which used to be very common but now gets people all distressed (we see it a lot on this forum too). However, there are also some great games. There is lots of fun to be had and anyone who is playing games and not having fun has only themselves to blame.
Gaming has exploded since the 80s and 90s and it didn't do that by being bad. The OP like many others here just enjoys Elite : Dangerous more than other games right now. But it is not some fundamental mistake every other game is making.. that's just games.
Preface: "You" means the reader, not necessarily the OP.
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In the end, all you do while playing games is invest your lifetime for a return in fun. Be it that it is just pure snickering joy, or you achieve something, or you escape reality and feel better, or...
Life time is limited, so if you are not getting fun out of it, *you are doing it wrong*.
The first rule of sandbox games is "do something that is fun for you". If ED is not fun for you, you play the wrong game. Find something that is fun. It's nobody's fault (neither the game's, not the dev's, not yours) if it cannot cater to everyone's taste all at once. It sure tries
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In the end, all you do while playing games is invest your lifetime for a return in fun. Be it that it is just pure snickering joy, or you achieve something, or you escape reality and feel better, or...
Life time is limited, so if you are not getting fun out of it, *you are doing it wrong*.
The first rule of sandbox games is "do something that is fun for you". If ED is not fun for you, you play the wrong game. Find something that is fun. It's nobody's fault (neither the game's, not the dev's, not yours) if it cannot cater to everyone's taste all at once. It sure tries
Very good post. I agree with everything you said. But like someone else said, you only have to dig deep to find the gems. I`ve tried games like Call of Duty, and I stopped playing it at Modern Warfare 3. Best one I ever played was the second one. Sins of a Solar Empire is a good strategy space game, big battles, plenty of modding. I`ve even got stuck into the Sims for a bit, and Minecraft. I`ve got Grid 2, as I like to race sometimes, but to be perfectly honest, Elite has won my heart once again.
I remember countless hours in my bedsit, playing the game on my Amiga 1200, and before that in my bedroom at home on my Amiga 500+ and before that as a young 11 year old on my Speccy. I`m married now with three kids and a wife, she doesn`t mind me playing games, as I`m not hardcore anymore, but the game does draw you in. I`ve come on the computer at around 9pm, the wife has gone to bed, and I check the clock and its 1 o`clock in the morning. I`m up at 5am for work. I can`t sleep, I`m seeing planets and the streak of lazer fire, and I start to see my cockpit phase in and out of view.... Slowly I drift off to sleep to the sound of the announcer in one of the stations.
The game is so full of possibilty its unbelievable. I have visions of what the game might be like in 10 years or 20 years time. Landing on planets that are at war, with commanders taking command of troops and hardware.... Going big game hunting in FPS mode on another planet... Hey maybe building a Rollercoaster Park on another....
It goes on and on, until it gets so big and complicated that the mind boggles. In twenty years time, I`ll be 60 years old. I just hope the game lasts that long. I don`t know what I`d do without it.
I remember countless hours in my bedsit, playing the game on my Amiga 1200, and before that in my bedroom at home on my Amiga 500+ and before that as a young 11 year old on my Speccy. I`m married now with three kids and a wife, she doesn`t mind me playing games, as I`m not hardcore anymore, but the game does draw you in. I`ve come on the computer at around 9pm, the wife has gone to bed, and I check the clock and its 1 o`clock in the morning. I`m up at 5am for work. I can`t sleep, I`m seeing planets and the streak of lazer fire, and I start to see my cockpit phase in and out of view.... Slowly I drift off to sleep to the sound of the announcer in one of the stations.
The game is so full of possibilty its unbelievable. I have visions of what the game might be like in 10 years or 20 years time. Landing on planets that are at war, with commanders taking command of troops and hardware.... Going big game hunting in FPS mode on another planet... Hey maybe building a Rollercoaster Park on another....
It goes on and on, until it gets so big and complicated that the mind boggles. In twenty years time, I`ll be 60 years old. I just hope the game lasts that long. I don`t know what I`d do without it.
Iam an old man and have been playing games since everything started.
I cant count all those games ive tried and played.
The internet evolved and people got connections to the web and then we had MMO games.
Most of the games was based around skill progression and levels.
Then we had what they called second generation game like World of warcraft. A game that took missions to another level.
They made it to be an absolute necessary to do to improve your character.
Do missions, level up, get better skills. buy better gear and then it was the end. The end game.
I have not seen any other MMORPG games that don't follow this rules and it become boring. No matter what concept they have. It still based around skills, level and missions.
I have not seen any progress from the game industry to actually find other way do an MMORPG.
Some games have tried to claim they are the third generation but the base fundamental is just the same.
ED in my opinion take the gaming to another level. Iam not sure if its back to basic or if this is the third generation game. its the freedom, the waste galaxy , no skill tree, no levels and no end game. Its actually back to the part what I enjoyed the most about the early games. Only my own imagination sets the limit to what I can do.
I dont want to be hand feeded and I don't want anyone to tell me that I must do this and that or missions to progress.
In ED you can stick with your sidewinder. Nothing forces you to go beyond that and you still have plenty to do.
its all about freedom and choices and there is no end game.
And +1 rep to OP
I cant count all those games ive tried and played.
The internet evolved and people got connections to the web and then we had MMO games.
Most of the games was based around skill progression and levels.
Then we had what they called second generation game like World of warcraft. A game that took missions to another level.
They made it to be an absolute necessary to do to improve your character.
Do missions, level up, get better skills. buy better gear and then it was the end. The end game.
I have not seen any other MMORPG games that don't follow this rules and it become boring. No matter what concept they have. It still based around skills, level and missions.
I have not seen any progress from the game industry to actually find other way do an MMORPG.
Some games have tried to claim they are the third generation but the base fundamental is just the same.
ED in my opinion take the gaming to another level. Iam not sure if its back to basic or if this is the third generation game. its the freedom, the waste galaxy , no skill tree, no levels and no end game. Its actually back to the part what I enjoyed the most about the early games. Only my own imagination sets the limit to what I can do.
I dont want to be hand feeded and I don't want anyone to tell me that I must do this and that or missions to progress.
In ED you can stick with your sidewinder. Nothing forces you to go beyond that and you still have plenty to do.
its all about freedom and choices and there is no end game.
And +1 rep to OP
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And another thing!
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This is so true but it's also really hard to accept at times. AAA games aren't aimed at the same audience they once were. Those of us who played games when most people didn't are not who most games are made for. The fact we don't enjoy a lot of them is often attributed to us.. we got older, we got less time, other priorities etc. and that's not entirely untrue, but it might as well be. What really happened is games changed. Gaming went mainstream, and the main branch of gaming is trying to appeal to different sorts of people.. I'm not one of those people and I never was. In fact, I'm probably a lot more tolerant of those sorts of games now than I would have been then.
But that's just the way it is.. mainstream games will always be targetted at a mainstream audience, and that's not the same audience it used to be. That doesn't mean they're bad, just different. We just have to realise it and play none mainstream games
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This is so true but it's also really hard to accept at times. AAA games aren't aimed at the same audience they once were. Those of us who played games when most people didn't are not who most games are made for. The fact we don't enjoy a lot of them is often attributed to us.. we got older, we got less time, other priorities etc. and that's not entirely untrue, but it might as well be. What really happened is games changed. Gaming went mainstream, and the main branch of gaming is trying to appeal to different sorts of people.. I'm not one of those people and I never was. In fact, I'm probably a lot more tolerant of those sorts of games now than I would have been then.
But that's just the way it is.. mainstream games will always be targetted at a mainstream audience, and that's not the same audience it used to be. That doesn't mean they're bad, just different. We just have to realise it and play none mainstream games
Appreciate a lot of what you said OP but you can get arrested for that kinda thing.......
I enjoy the freedom of ed but I'd like some direction? Guidance maybe? Or maybe an interface in the game world where I can review some of the lore or get information about the varying factions?
But I'd certainly agree this is some next level stuff.
What's next? Vr headsets? 3d? A wall of screens? Smellovision?
But I'd certainly agree this is some next level stuff.
What's next? Vr headsets? 3d? A wall of screens? Smellovision?
Mostly all what here is written is so True. .. kudos and rep + 10 for the OP.
I really waiting long for an restart of Elite ... that why I hate it so that they must add this MP.
I renember New Years Eve 1986.... me and Friend sitting both on a C64 and Talking how nice it must be to connect these Maschines together and Hunt the Mercant ;-) ... but now with all this trigger happy player I don't want that they destroy MY Elite feeling.... no MP. But FD take care about that....other Companys maybe will say Online only, FD not...thanks for that...and again the OP for this Thread.
I really waiting long for an restart of Elite ... that why I hate it so that they must add this MP.
I renember New Years Eve 1986.... me and Friend sitting both on a C64 and Talking how nice it must be to connect these Maschines together and Hunt the Mercant ;-) ... but now with all this trigger happy player I don't want that they destroy MY Elite feeling.... no MP. But FD take care about that....other Companys maybe will say Online only, FD not...thanks for that...and again the OP for this Thread.
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Totally agree with the OP.
This is one of my pet ranting subjects, so incoming rant..
I've been gaming since Xmas 1977 when my mum bought me an Atari 2600 (possibly a bad decision as it started a lifelong passion) and I have to say todays games are quite possibly the worst I've ever played. Sure they look amazing but its all 'fur coat, no knickers' (pardon the expression). Games come out these days that look stunning but can be beaten in 4-6-8 hours. There's no challenge in them whatsoever and they hand-hold the player and treat us like we are morons (sadly lots of modern gamers are) Mobile gaming is even worse, I had an ipad but never game on it anymore because the appstore has been taken over by freemium trash that I wouldn't play if you paid me.
Gaming was better in the 80's and 90's, yes the graphics were poor but the sheer diversity and choice of games was stunning. These days every other game coming out seems to be another mindless fps/shooter. Theres little diversity nowadays and nothing that makes the player actually think or use their brain. Gaming is being heavily dumbed down, I'm so grateful that we have Elite Dangerous.
This is one of my pet ranting subjects, so incoming rant..
I've been gaming since Xmas 1977 when my mum bought me an Atari 2600 (possibly a bad decision as it started a lifelong passion) and I have to say todays games are quite possibly the worst I've ever played. Sure they look amazing but its all 'fur coat, no knickers' (pardon the expression). Games come out these days that look stunning but can be beaten in 4-6-8 hours. There's no challenge in them whatsoever and they hand-hold the player and treat us like we are morons (sadly lots of modern gamers are) Mobile gaming is even worse, I had an ipad but never game on it anymore because the appstore has been taken over by freemium trash that I wouldn't play if you paid me.
Gaming was better in the 80's and 90's, yes the graphics were poor but the sheer diversity and choice of games was stunning. These days every other game coming out seems to be another mindless fps/shooter. Theres little diversity nowadays and nothing that makes the player actually think or use their brain. Gaming is being heavily dumbed down, I'm so grateful that we have Elite Dangerous.
Very nice post.
I have been disconnected of games last years for the same reason, better graphics, better computers but the playing experience have not evolved at all but even degraded, now I´m thinking something is changing, Crowdfunding is allowing this in some way, and allowing developers to make the kind of game they always wanted, Elite, Star citizen, even Oculus rift, are dreams that we always had in our minds.
When I see many posts here trying to transform what ED can be in what they already have in many many games, I just can´t feel anything but sad, Like in real life, You need objectives for keeping Yourself alive an interested in something, but the happiness is in the journey to get those objectives, once you achieve them, you need other objectives, and that´s what people don´t understand With ED, they don´t enjoy the journey, they just want to land fast, to know where to get better equipment fast, to earn money fast, and buy a bigger ship fast, and once they have all that, they want more content because the game is boring, and they didn´t enjoy of all the small things that ED has for doing that , even if it takes time, funny and interesting.
I have been disconnected of games last years for the same reason, better graphics, better computers but the playing experience have not evolved at all but even degraded, now I´m thinking something is changing, Crowdfunding is allowing this in some way, and allowing developers to make the kind of game they always wanted, Elite, Star citizen, even Oculus rift, are dreams that we always had in our minds.
When I see many posts here trying to transform what ED can be in what they already have in many many games, I just can´t feel anything but sad, Like in real life, You need objectives for keeping Yourself alive an interested in something, but the happiness is in the journey to get those objectives, once you achieve them, you need other objectives, and that´s what people don´t understand With ED, they don´t enjoy the journey, they just want to land fast, to know where to get better equipment fast, to earn money fast, and buy a bigger ship fast, and once they have all that, they want more content because the game is boring, and they didn´t enjoy of all the small things that ED has for doing that , even if it takes time, funny and interesting.
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Well said, and yes - it's probably both.
During the time I played Quakeworld in a clan, I would have probably loved a game like Battlefield, but playing Quakeworld in a clan was something slightly nerdish (is that a word?) to begin with, so although Quake was a mainstream game, the fact that it required basic technical knowledge to make it work kept the foulest apples out.
I've grown older, my lifes circumstances have changed, I've moved out of the focus of triple A companies as they're targeting a younger demographic. On the other hand, the market has grown and companies are beginning to see there's a market here. Thanks to Crowd funding, I personally feel the situation is improving as of late - I really hope it stays that way and vote with my wallet.
(on a side note, the Forums currently eat formating in some browsers. If you wrap size=2 tags around them, formatting will be preserved.
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Have been playing World of Tanks for about 3 years with a non-prem account. Each tank and teir felt like a new challenge to master both regarding its game play and againts harder opponents who were 2 teirs higher. Getting my first top tank felt great (M48A1 if your intetsted!!) and soon joined a clan and have feild commanded to some success.
Now I have about 8 top tanks, I struggle to feild command due to lack of active players and no matter how well I play... all my opponent had to do to win is spam premium ammo which is basically pay to win.
ED is such a breath of fresh air. No new tanks to grind each patch, a new system each jump away, no clan wars each night just the freedom to go where I like when I like with just my Eagle and me.
True freedom (in a game anyway )
+1 for OP
Now I have about 8 top tanks, I struggle to feild command due to lack of active players and no matter how well I play... all my opponent had to do to win is spam premium ammo which is basically pay to win.
ED is such a breath of fresh air. No new tanks to grind each patch, a new system each jump away, no clan wars each night just the freedom to go where I like when I like with just my Eagle and me.
True freedom (in a game anyway
)+1 for OP
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Have you ever been on Xbox live? Who are these people?