Since When Has A 7 Minor Faction System Been 8 With 3 PMF.

[Mrjupp]

Major change! This is BIG! So the BGS has altered and I can personally confirm. A system of 7 with 2 PMF is now a system of 8 with 3 PMF. A 3rd PMF expanded to it. This means any system of 7 with a PMF is no longer safe. Usually, Invasion could take place with 7 non player minor factions.

 

[kail]

8 has been the new 7 for some time now AFAIK.

 

[Dommarraa]

We had an expansion into a 7 faction system fail very recently, just a cycle or 2 ago.

Which system was it? we might to be able to spot something edge case about it

 

[zimms]

Elite changing the rules without telling you is a bit of a sore subject at the moment.

 

[Shnyrik]

Sorry. Just to make it clear. PMF just expanded to some system and is now the eigth MF in it, or it invaded and is now at war with some other MF?

 

[Jmanis]

Usually, Invasion could take place with 7 non player minor factions.

That's not the rule.

Invasion candidates have 7 factions where at least one is not a domestic faction (which is virtually all systems) regardless of whether they are player/non player factions.

 

[Rainbro]

Major change! This is BIG! So the BGS has altered and I can personally confirm. A system of 7 with 2 PMF is now a system of 8 with 3 PMF. A 3rd PMF expanded to it. This means any system of 7 with a PMF is no longer safe. Usually, Invasion could take place with 7 non player minor factions.

That's not the rule.

Invasion candidates have 7 factions where at least one is not a domestic faction (which is virtually all systems) regardless of whether they are player/non player factions.

I believe Jmanis is correct, there should be no actual mechanical differences between player-inserted factions and other factions. It would be odd regardless if the mere presence of a PMF prevented invasions.

 

[Dommarraa]

Mrjupp gave me the system name. Looks like a regular invasion.
The new faction arrived and immediatly went into War with the lowest Non-Native Faction that is not system controller or in Conflict

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Yup, one day after war is over one faction will leave. We had a similar situation recently.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

How about 8 with 8 PMF? Let's not have any of these NPC factions cluttering up the invasion!

Dubbuennel (Eol Prou LW-L c8-10) - History

cdb.sotl.org.uk

...or another one...

Kopernik (Eol Prou YI-W b17-19) - History

cdb.sotl.org.uk

 

[Nepeta Uchiha]

Either this is an invasion war or FDev added the PMF into the system recently since applications for PMFs are open again.

 

[Nepeta Uchiha]

How about 8 with 8 PMF? Let's not have any of these NPC factions cluttering up the invasion!

Dubbuennel (Eol Prou LW-L c8-10) - History

cdb.sotl.org.uk

...or another one...

Kopernik (Eol Prou YI-W b17-19) - History

cdb.sotl.org.uk

Yeah idk what you see but those two systems aren't even at 7 factions LOL

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[Jmanis]

Yeah idk what you see but those two systems aren't even at 7 factions LOL

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Ian's links are historical data. Currently, there aren't 8 factions, but the data Ian linked was from March 3305 and June 3306 respectively... whereas those Inara links will be current for Nov 3307.

That is, more than 7 factions has been a thing for quite some time now.

 

[DriftKaiser]

So a PMF can't expanding to a system with 7 factions unless it's an invasion. I know you only can invade when you exhausted all available expansion slots within a system.

 

[Jmanis]

So a PMF can't expanding to a system with 7 factions unless it's an invasion. I know you only can invade when you exhausted all available expansion slots within a system.

Any faction, not just PMFs.

There is no functional difference between normal factions vs player-requested ones.

 

[Nepeta Uchiha]

Any faction, not just PMFs.

There is no functional difference between normal factions vs player-requested ones.

Where there is for certain government types. Anarchy PMFs are different than Anarchy NPCs.

 

[Jmanis]

Where there is for certain government types. Anarchy PMFs are different than Anarchy NPCs.

If i recall what you're referring to, no, that's not a difference of PMF vs, i don't know, "standard" faction.

There's a small handful of player anarchies which, under the hood, aren't actually criminal ethos. But that's not an explicit difference of PMF vs a standard one, rather just something FD tweaked under the hood.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

If i recall what you're referring to, no, that's not a difference of PMF vs, i don't know, "standard" faction.

There's a small handful of player anarchies which, under the hood, aren't actually criminal ethos. But that's not an explicit difference of PMF vs a standard one, rather just something FD tweaked under the hood.

And it's a tweak that Frontier has also applied for NPC factions, sometimes. Two of the five democracies at Explorers' Anchorage are Corporate ethos rather than the typical Social, for example.