Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

Ahhh, the days of "the Flight model is so good, it's simply percieved as bad."

How much progress has been made since then I wonder?
None really. Actually the only hint of progress (an attempt at VTOL mode, which did require a very little amount of skill) was immediately backtracked after all the people who cant actually pilot started screaming loudly. Which is a shame really, as this game is supposed to be "multicrew" with a lot of people in other seats. For reference that VTOL mode attempt was surprisingly realistic compared to everything else in the FM, with the ship being suspended on top of its vertical thrust pretty much like actual VTOL aircraft, and pitch/roll would induce lateral movement. It was also victim of the really abysmal physics engine that would glitch out and send the ship in random directions at times. With that fixed, this would have justified the existence of a VTOL mode on some ship models, which is currently only for decoration or roleplay.
They got back to the basic "arcade flight model" that is still the same after these years. Also zero progress was made for the atmo FM, for instance the ship shape (including wings and tails) have no impact, or mass distribution... It's a shame really as they have the unique opportunity to differentiate atmo capable ships and give them a bit more personality.
 
None really. Actually the only hint of progress (an attempt at VTOL mode, which did require a very little amount of skill) was immediately backtracked after all the people who cant actually pilot started screaming loudly. Which is a shame really, as this game is supposed to be "multicrew" with a lot of people in other seats. For reference that VTOL mode attempt was surprisingly realistic compared to everything else in the FM, with the ship being suspended on top of its vertical thrust pretty much like actual VTOL aircraft, and pitch/roll would induce lateral movement. It was also victim of the really abysmal physics engine that would glitch out and send the ship in random directions at times. With that fixed, this would have justified the existence of a VTOL mode on some ship models, which is currently only for decoration or roleplay.
They got back to the basic "arcade flight model" that is still the same after these years. Also zero progress was made for the atmo FM, for instance the ship shape (including wings and tails) have no impact, or mass distribution... It's a shame really as they have the unique opportunity to differentiate atmo capable ships and give them a bit more personality.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV3zWSawJiw
 
Financial regulations aren't socialism or communism, they are laws that are (supposed to, anyway) prevent people and companies manipulating potential investors and consumers (by preventing pump n dumps or various other schemes). Mostly to continue to provide stability and trust in the financial systems that are in place.

And hey, this thread has talked about a lot of weird things, especially in regards to crypto, NFTs and other digital assets.

I didn't bring up the metaverse stuff in the first place, I just made an offhand comment (that again, was meant more as a joke, unless you believe I really lust for nuclear death).

Although I guess Star Citizen is Marxist, since it's getting tens of millions in tax credits.
It doesn't matter in the end. it#s an abusive system where its denizens are lied to frequently while soaking up their cash. If you want to call it marxist - it's just a label like "unfettered, unregulated corpocapitalism".
 
It is, as CiG have demonstrated in the last 10 years they do not deliver on their promises. We already played this little game and you dodged the question, but really, there is a long list of "announced potential things" that still are vaporware, and will never exist in any form remotely close to what was promised.
I dodged nothing. You just "forget" each delivered promises as soon as they are delivered by CIG, just focusing on the promises not delivered yet. You try to convince us that after 10 years, the alpha is just empty, that's not the case.

There is a long list of "potential things" already provided by CIG that we are currently playing with in the current alpha. You just choose to ignore them while clamoring "but what are doing people in this alpha ? There is nothing in it..."
 
I believe this refers to the opening paragraph in the report. Just a sort of disclaimer. It does not list exhaustively what has been left out though. It simply states the report is both incomplete and irregular in its format. Things like a missing basic balance sheet or details about revenue recognition (which could be useful, perhaps, in terms of SQ42 for example or to have a peek at what other revenues where CIG considers it has delivered a product on and can declare profits about) etc.

The disclaimer also patronizes a bit the community by telling us we are not worthy and able to read a standard more detailed report. Somehow I highly doubt that magnanimous argument be the actual reason.

CIG to backers: You clearly wouldn't understand shell company development.
 
Oh my...

I just went to the Spectrum forums for the first time, and what a treat. One thing is very evident...CIG has found the perfect customer base, and developed and executed an outstanding business model. Amazing really. The recent consternation over ship rebalances, the Cutlass Steel ship sale, the Christmas gift giveaways that are advertisements. They have somehow managed to string along over a decade with no end in sight, doing things, saying things, that would have tanked any other company, and turn it into a money making juggernaut. They really are the Trump of the gaming industry.
 
Of course, the big difference is that Star Citizen affects nobody who doesn't want to get involved. If CIG is happy doing what they are doing, and people enjoy it for whatever reason; good for them and not my problem. :)

Oh for sure, and that is, I think, what is most amazing to me. CIG does crappy things, people complain, and then throw even more money at them. Completely counterintuitive, but damn, it sure works. From a pure business sense, hats off to CIG!
 
I think this post kind of exemplifies it...

"You are entitled to question my motives because, yes, I did offer a free bike as a suggestion, but please, use the same reasoning to question the motives of a festive Christmas event that culminates in a final "gift" that is literally asking you for more money.
Picture you, yourself, at a Christmas party, "gifting" flyers of you are trying to sell to your family at the party."

And that will result in fist fulls of cash being thrown at CIG. I mean, every complaint about CIG and Star Citizen is somehow successfully monetized. Really makes one almost want to white knight for the white knights. The stuff CIG does, by any way it is looked at, shouldn't work, yet it somehow does.
 
Financial regulations aren't socialism or communism, they are laws that are (supposed to, anyway) prevent people and companies manipulating potential investors and consumers (by preventing pump n dumps or various other schemes). Mostly to continue to provide stability and trust in the financial systems that are in place.
I often wonder if those who cry “socialism” or “communism” at the mere hint of regulation have ever actually read Adam Smith’s The Wealth of Nations. I have, and I’m editing this post to not say anything further, no matter how tempted I am to do so.
 
oh....hum, found the nest 😱

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Oh for sure, and that is, I think, what is most amazing to me. CIG does crappy things, people complain, and then throw even more money at them. Completely counterintuitive, but damn, it sure works. From a pure business sense, hats off to CIG!
Do not mix two different actions with two different reasons.
Some people complain because they don't like some things done by CIG.
The majority throw money at CIG because, despite those bad things, all the rest appeal to them and they like what they see in the alpha.
 
Do not mix two different actions with two different reasons.
Some people complain because they don't like some things done by CIG.
The majority throw money at CIG because, despite those bad things, all the rest appeal to them and they like what they see in the alpha.
This kind of proves my point though...over 400,000,000 dollars over a decade, with no change or end in sight, no indication of the money flow slowing down...ANY other company doing things the way CIG has done would be bankrupt long ago...yet for them and their supporters, it just...works.
 
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