Appex shuttle popped by SysAuth in Solo ?

[SENA-]

Hey guys, since I am still a rookie in EDO, I ask you a fair question:

It is normal to get your Appex shuttle - IN SOLO MODE ! - attacked by Sys Auth vessels and destroyed ?
I delivered a item o an NPC on a settlement, I call my Appex shuttle, we take off, only to get shot at immediately by the Sys Authority - and the (in)famos "best taxi service" Adder popped with me inside...
Is this normal ?? Should I expect more of this ?
If so, I will be better in my own ship, since mine can tank a lot more than this silly Adder...

PS - good news I was returned to my station, AND - most important - the mission count as success - so I got the reward. But not less annoyed by this, I confess... First time it happens with me.

 

[Frop]

Not sure what Solo has to do with it, but this might be more relevant.

 

[SENA-]

I just give a item ( courier mission to my allied faction, the Nameless ! ) - the NPC took the item, I call the Appex, I embarked, take off, then the Sys Auth. ships open fire on us...
The Apex Shuttle died not to the ground fire, but yes, we got smoked in space, without any way for me to defend...

 

[GroG79]

Poor NPC pilot. YOU KILLED HIM!

 

[SENA-]

Poor NPC pilot. YOU KILLED HIM!

Damn, I want a refund - I pay the trip and his car broke mid-air ! I mean, mid-space

 

[DarkStarSword]

Yeah, problem has existed since the alpha. If you notice a ship circling overhead, don't board a taxi. You might be able to get far enough from the settlement that it won't bother you, but... on foot with limited energy...? Just take your own ship. I highly recommend the Imperial Courier with Enhanced Performance Thrusters and reinforced shields* - small zippy ship that can boost to supercruise altitude in a nanosecond and tank any incoming damage while it does so.

* I just use regular 2A G5 reinforced shields and no boosters, but this ship can trade off speed for shield HP if you prefer - if you go full tank with prismatics and boosters you can get over 2000MJ of shield HP (though that does somewhat negate the idea of using a fast ship, but you may decide to go for a balance). My build: https://s.orbis.zone/hv3u

 

[SENA-]

Yeah, problem has existed since the alpha. If you notice a ship circling overhead, don't board a taxi. You might be able to get far enough from the settlement that it won't bother you, but... on foot with limited energy...? Just take your own ship. I highly recommend the Imperial Courier with Enhanced Performance Thrusters and reinforced shields* - small zippy ship that can boost to supercruise altitude in a nanosecond and tank any incoming damage while it does so.

* I just use regular 2A G5 reinforced shields and no boosters, but this ship can trade off speed for shield HP if you prefer - if you go full tank with prismatics and boosters you can get over 2000MJ of shield HP (though that does somewhat negate the idea of using a fast ship, but you may decide to go for a balance). My build: https://s.orbis.zone/hv3u

Lol I DO use a ICourier, but with Apex is faster sometimes when I have my ship in transfer route...
My ICourier do not use a Prismatic - prismatic is for traders - but a biwave, to save power - power I need for 2 sets of srv.s ( to have a second srv is always handy ! )

With a pair of rails, a dumb missile launcher, 2 SRVs, fuel scoop, and - most important - some 2300 in shields - the ICourier can hold his own against anything. as big as an Anaconda... except 2 scavs with handguns

 

[Frop]

Lol I DO use a ICourier, but with Apex is faster sometimes when I have my ship in transfer route...
My ICourier do not use a Prismatic - prismatic is for traders - but a biwave, to save power - power I need for 2 sets of srv.s ( to have a second srv is always handy ! )

With a pair of rails, a dumb missile launcher, 2 SRVs, fuel scoop, and - most important - some 2300 in shields - the ICourier can hold his own against anything. as big as an Anaconda... except 2 scavs with handguns

I don't know how tight on power you are on the that build, but perhaps you could fit a regular shield generator if you simply disabled one of the vehicle hangars? You don't need them both powered on at the same time anyway.

Also, I think you mean 2300 with resistances, right, not raw shields? Because the average non-prismatic Anaconda can easily do 2-3K raw with 8-10K resistances.

 

[B1rdy]

Not sure what Solo has to do with it, but this might be more relevant.

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Am I understanding correctly, that taking such a mission using the Apex shuttle has an uncertainty the player can complete it in a regular fashion indepently of his execution of the mission?

 

[HansAcker]

It is normal to get your Appex shuttle - IN SOLO MODE ! - attacked by Sys Auth vessels and destroyed ?

Did you have a bounty on your head? (Edit: "Legal status: Clean" - so maybe not that. Some powerplay hunt, maybe?)
I only had this happen to me when I did something to antagonize the settlement security (e.g. a botched murder attempt). In one case, three taxis blew up before I could board them (you'll get your booking fee refunded ). Only after running a few km from the settlement, the taxi could land and take me on board before the air-force Vulture arrived and we made it to SC with 3% hull left...

 

[Frop]

Am I understanding correctly, that taking such a mission using the Apex shuttle has an uncertainty the player can complete it in a regular fashion indepently of his execution of the mission?

It's not necessarily Apex, it could happen in your own ship too. There seems to be a rare bug (or perhaps an unexplained mechanic) where patrolling system authority (larger military settlements) will open fire on you when you undock, despite no base alarm having been set off. However, like his screenshot showed, it does require having a fine or bounty or something of the sorts.

 

[B1rdy]

It's not necessarily Apex, it could happen in your own ship too. There seems to be a rare bug (or perhaps an unexplained mechanic) where patrolling system authority (larger military settlements) will open fire on you when you undock, despite no base alarm having been set off. However, like his screenshot showed, it does require having a fine or bounty or something of the sorts.

Nevertheless it is a significant difference if the player is being attacked in his own ship, where he can act, or without any control. The latter would be a huge oversight in game design.

 

[Frop]

Nevertheless it is a significant difference if the player is being attacked in his own ship, where he can act, or without any control. The latter would be a huge oversight in game design.

I see what you're getting at, but like HansAcker said, there's nothing funnier than seeing Apex after Apex blown up and your money refunded. The only downside is that you lose any accumulated bounties, but in the few rare cases where it happened to me, I think all my missions were still intact.

 

[B1rdy]

I see what you're getting at, but like HansAcker said, there's nothing funnier than seeing Apex after Apex blown up and your money refunded. The only downside is that you lose any accumulated bounties, but in the few rare cases where it happened to me, I think all my missions were still intact.

Even if the was 0 downside to it, the game loop remains flawed. Also it might provoke CMDRs just suiciding after completing a mission to skip the parts before being able to hand in the mission.

 

[SENA-]

I don't know how tight on power you are on the that build, but perhaps you could fit a regular shield generator if you simply disabled one of the vehicle hangars? You don't need them both powered on at the same time anyway.

Also, I think you mean 2300 with resistances, right, not raw shields? Because the average non-prismatic Anaconda can easily do 2-3K raw with 8-10K resistances.

yup with all - and yes I set some internals at lower priorities - all in all, is working perfect, can defend and tank a bit, ( A LOT more than a DBX ! ) and is far more nimble. Yet, 2 drunk scavs with light handguns will kill her in less time than I can say, "auch ! "

 

[SENA-]

I see what you're getting at, but like HansAcker said, there's nothing funnier than seeing Apex after Apex blown up and your money refunded. The only downside is that you lose any accumulated bounties, but in the few rare cases where it happened to me, I think all my missions were still intact.

Add the time lost.... missions tic-tac is 1/4 from EDH, and the silly codding of Edvs will count the time, as you know, even when servers are down...

 

[SENA-]

Even if the was 0 downside to it, the game loop remains flawed. Also it might provoke CMDRs just suiciding after completing a mission to skip the parts before being able to hand in the mission.

That is in interesting idea, hmmmm

 

[DarkStarSword]

Lol I DO use a ICourier, but with Apex is faster sometimes when I have my ship in transfer route...
My ICourier do not use a Prismatic - prismatic is for traders - but a biwave, to save power - power I need for 2 sets of srv.s ( to have a second srv is always handy ! )

With a pair of rails, a dumb missile launcher, 2 SRVs, fuel scoop, and - most important - some 2300 in shields - the ICourier can hold his own against anything. as big as an Anaconda... except 2 scavs with handguns

It never even occurred to me that you can put a second hanger on - I'd always just assumed if I didn't have a spare size 4 slot I'd only be able to bring one SRV... I think I'm going to swap out my unused 2E cargo rack for a second SRV so I can bring a Scorpion and a Scarab

Edit: coriolis says I'll loose 50m/s on my top speed if I do this... I need to think about this.

 

[SENA-]

Did you have a bounty on your head? (Edit: "Legal status: Clean" - so maybe not that. Some powerplay hunt, maybe?)
I only had this happen to me when I did something to antagonize the settlement security (e.g. a botched murder attempt). In one case, three taxis blew up before I could board them (you'll get your booking fee refunded ). Only after running a few km from the settlement, the taxi could land and take me on board before the air-force Vulture arrived and we made it to SC with 3% hull left...

A NPC was trying to stop/scan me as I jumped in Apex - I ignored him convinced once in Apex shuttle he can do nothing about.... but seems he could call-in his heavy buddies in the Air Patrol

 

[SENA-]

It never even occurred to me that you can put a second hanger on - I'd always just assumed if I didn't have a spare size 4 slot I'd only be able to bring one SRV... I think I'm going to swap out my unused 2E cargo rack for a second SRV so I can bring a Scorpion and a Scarab

you can put even 3 SRV.s !

Edit: I use only 2 Scarab - A LOT better than the spray+pray of Scorpion, the Scarab can kill easily scavs at 2-300m or more, when the Scorpion gun.... well, lets say, this one will pepper in the general direction