Noteworthy if true - are you saying that you believe this to be the case, or just that you think it's worth testing to see? I don't see where in the patch notes it implies that the calculation would now use GA instead of actual purchase price for sold goods.
BGS changes in Update 10 - some bonuses for criminals
- Thread starter Ian Doncaster
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needs testing.
but:
"When buying and selling, it's ... generally more positive to trade more expensive commodities than cheaper ones"
- using (galactic average - sell price) instead of profit would meet this
- while using profit wouldn't
- AND there is no profit if you use the same structure for both buying and selling.
i think a first test for exampel would be using a no traffic system, selling 1 commodity with some profit <2000 cptp, and next tick selling the same commodity with inflated profit via FC at >2000 cptp.
Well, I tried selling weapons to a faction in Pirate Attack to see what would happen in https://inara.cz/starsystem/4122/
The changes due to the Pirate Attack don't seem life changing - Natural Allowa Nationalists is down despite me selling them weapons. The 12.12% pair are in a War (one is criminal so I think they both get boosted because they are locked by the war). Du Shama Gold Universal PLC picks up a slight boost for being criminal - looks like the boost is proportional to INF level as LTT 15461 Company are also criminal and got a bigger boost.
| Day 1 | Day 2 | Change | |
| Natural Allowa Nationalists | 46.06% | 45.92% | -0.14% |
| HR 6987 League | 16.06% | 16.02% | -0.04% |
| Union of Du Shama Confederacy | 12.12% | 12.24% | 0.12% |
| LTT 15461 Company | 12.12% | 12.24% | 0.12% |
| Thakalaa Commodities | 5.25% | 5.20% | -0.05% |
| Du Shama Nobles | 5.15% | 5.10% | -0.05% |
| Du Shama Gold Universal PLC | 3.23% | 3.27% | 0.03% |
The changes due to the Pirate Attack don't seem life changing - Natural Allowa Nationalists is down despite me selling them weapons. The 12.12% pair are in a War (one is criminal so I think they both get boosted because they are locked by the war). Du Shama Gold Universal PLC picks up a slight boost for being criminal - looks like the boost is proportional to INF level as LTT 15461 Company are also criminal and got a bigger boost.
Are you sure those are all criminal? That seems a lot of anomalous Criminal Corporate factions to have in one system. (I wouldn't expect that system to have any Criminal factions present at all, just on the basis of government types - you seem to be assuming all the corporations are Criminal, which is probably only true in a lore sense)
That looks like:
- pirate attack drains ~1% influence from NAN
- your trade effect cancels most of that and largely takes it back from the non-war factions
- the war factions only get the boost (conflicts don't necessarily stay locked together if there's states directly changing influence) as reallocation from your trade can't touch them
Nope
This is why I was asking how to detect them yesterday - both Du Shama Gold Universal PLC and LTT 15461 Company had mainly criminal missions. They are the only 2 I think are criminal factions - I think Union of Du Shama Confederacy went up because it it in a war with LTT 15461 Company. If I go back tomorrow I'll snapshot their missions.We may be using slightly different definitions of criminal missions here, then. It's not just illegal ones, it's a specific set of illegal missions that only Criminal factions offer.Nope
Checking my current station the best way to tell seems to be the assassinations - most factions go for Terrorist or Pirate, the criminal faction goes for Politician. Similar themes on the massacre missions. This system doesn't have any smuggling missions, but again those would usually be for the criminal faction only.
Other detection methods:
- opens black markets at their bases (but this could also be Social ethos, or nowadays in Civil Unrest)
- provides the bad guys for normal courier/trade missions
- wars with everyone (but you need a lot of data to be sure)
- is targeted by everyone else's pirate/terrorist massacre/assassination missions
Ah gotcha - thanks for the clarification, though most of that won't work for my quite drive-by looks at systems
I'll post up what happens tomorrow without trade and check the missions more closely In the bubble you can usually assume that Anarchy = Criminal and not-Anarchy = not-Criminal. Just the occasional exception here and there to watch out for.Ah gotcha - thanks for the clarification, though most of that won't work for my quite drive-by looks at systems
Yeah, it's proving an issue to find systems - the Pirate Attack is (IIRC) quite short lived and doesn't show via in-game filters at all - add on the requirement for a criminal faction and I'm struggling to find systems - I guess I was possibly too keen to assume criminality here
Edit: Especially as you want test systems with low traffic, and any system with up-to-date states in third-party data sets has by definition been visited recently...
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you will almost never have a low traffic system with pirate attack i think.... but i'm following with interest!
For checking the influence reallocation, a faction with pirate attack + conflict is probably easier than trying to find a clean test.
Ok - next day and the Pirate Attack has finished. No changes in INF at all. Looking at the missions it seems there are no criminal factions so I guess we weren't seeing the 'criminals gain from Pirate Attacks' after all - damn
Now to see if I can open a market on one of the phase 3 Colonia Bridge starports using Civil Unrest (thx Ian!), and a search for another Pirate Attack if I can
We've got a Pirate Attack state in a fairly low traffic system, HIP 21286
Currently day 3, will be day 4 active with today's tick. Inara has insufficient data showing, but we've seen about a 0.8% drop every day as the controlling faction and corresponding small increases for the local Anarchy faction. Maybe that can help y'all testing some stuff out, as long as no one nukes the system we won't mind much.
(I feel it's very dangerous territory I'm treading here, but I trust that the others in here also just want to test things out and not outright hurt each other )
Edit: Well now the state is already over and this tick only gave us a 0.1% drop. The only takeaway I got from this is that influence drain from PA state is very small.
Currently day 3, will be day 4 active with today's tick. Inara has insufficient data showing, but we've seen about a 0.8% drop every day as the controlling faction and corresponding small increases for the local Anarchy faction. Maybe that can help y'all testing some stuff out, as long as no one nukes the system we won't mind much.
(I feel it's very dangerous territory I'm treading here, but I trust that the others in here also just want to test things out and not outright hurt each other
)Edit: Well now the state is already over and this tick only gave us a 0.1% drop. The only takeaway I got from this is that influence drain from PA state is very small.
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Yes - all reports look consistently like a 1% drain (fairly standard for an event state) but the drained influence is (as documented) preferentially given to Criminal factions if possible. Still not really enough to help them most of the time, but better than nothing.
- The Black Market station service will now activate when the controlling faction has an active Civil Unrest state
Or did I misunderstand the note from the update?
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Station update is old on Inara.
I am currently at a station in this system, the black market is not available. Before that was in another system with civil unrest, the black market is also not available.
Interesting, that means corporate factions (and other not socials) cant open blackmarkets even in a Civil Unrest?
If so, then this innovation does not make any sense. The black market is always available under such forms of government as democracy or communism. I think this is another broken code.
Don't forget some powerplay people disable Black Markets so check that.