To Solo Play Players: If You Could Disable PVP, Would You Play in Open Play Mode Instead?

Jack Winter

Jack Winter
You could create a new game loop by allowing players to sell preconfigured engineered ships (and possibly modules).

You want your dream ship, so you make a buy order with the shipyard, and after a few weeks you get a message that they've found a ship engineered to your specifications.
 

TiberiusDuval

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Well have to say, that I have not touched to surface gear engineering with a long pole. But when it comes to ship stuff its only grind if you are in hurry. I mostly have collected materials with normal gameplay over the time. Take some mission payments, sight seeing with SRV, hoovered remains after combat, and so on.
 
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Misty_Dark

Misty_Dark
Jack Winter said:
There is a precedence for selling G3 suits and weapons! :D
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have you done the math on what a G3 engineered ships would cost if they follow the cost increase as the G3 suits? many of the medium ship in a similar style of being pre-engineered would make the Fleet Carrier to appear cheap... and then would these be fixed configured ships like the suits and weapons are?
 

gorankar

gorankar
Jack Winter said:
You could create a new game loop by allowing players to sell preconfigured engineered ships (and possibly modules).

You want your dream ship, so you make a buy order with the shipyard, and after a few weeks you get a message that they've found a ship engineered to your specifications.
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Who would do that for anything less than billions of credits? The person building the ship would have to deal with the mats/data grind. How many hours worth of mats/data gathering would it take someone to fully engineer an FDL, how about one of the big 4? Anyone doing this for someone not their buddy is going to want reimbursement for those hours.

I looked up the estimated mat/data costs for my cutter on inara. I then figured out how much time it was likely to take me to earn those mats/data. Then I added up the power play time and credit costs for the prizmo shields, then added up module costs. I came to the conclusion that I would charge need to charge 10B or more for that Cutter. Same would go for a T10, Annie, or Vette. A meta PvP FDL would not be all that much cheaper.

The time you spent earning the nearly worthless credits could have easily been spent gathering mats/data and doing it yourself instead.
 

Jack Winter

Jack Winter
Misty_Dark said:
have you done the math on what a G3 engineered ships would cost if they follow the cost increase as the G3 suits? many of the medium ship in a similar style of being pre-engineered would make the Fleet Carrier to appear cheap... and then would these be fixed configured ships like the suits and weapons are?
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No idea, it's just an idea as someone mentioned power creep..

But imagine the joy when you are starting out and have gotten some dosh together. You go to a shipyard and find an Eagle with a G3 FSD which you can afford. What a strike, bingo!

Or if you already have it all, order a custom ship and just pay for it (with credits and mats), no need to zip around the engineers. Straight back to combat to see if it works better.
 

Jack Winter

Jack Winter
gorankar said:
Who would do that for anything less than billions of credits? The person building the ship would have to deal with the mats/data grind. How many hours worth of mats/data gathering would it take someone to fully engineer an FDL, how about one of the big 4? Anyone doing this for someone not their buddy is going to want reimbursement for those hours.

I looked up the estimated mat/data costs for my cutter on inara. I then figured out how much time it was likely to take me to earn those mats/data. Then I added up the power play time and credit costs for the prizmo shields, then added up module costs. I came to the conclusion that I would charge need to charge 10B or more for that Cutter. Same would go for a T10, Annie, or Vette. A meta PvP FDL would not be all that much cheaper.

The time you spent earning the nearly worthless credits could have easily been spent gathering mats/data and doing it yourself instead.
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Yes you're absolutely right, again just an idea shot from the hip. :D

Still soon (AFAIK) you'll be able to trade mats (for legs) in EDO, and even FDev was asking about rebalancing the space mats grind. How about letting us trade mats in space too? I could get to like driving the buggy shooting crystal shards.. Harvesting mats combined with combat is also fun. The ones I'm not sure how to harvest are the encoded..

What about an Engineer career for commanders, where you can create your own blueprints balancing heat, power use, weight, effect, etc. After all quite a few of us enjoy doing this.

But again it's a tangent to this thread (my fault), it was just to address the power creep.. It seems like FDev has realized this, thus you can find g3 suits and weapons for sale in EDO. Maybe the same could be done for space..
 

Felix DiCestria

Felix DiCestria
I threw together an Asp Explorer for an alt the weekend after the Colonia Bridge CG. No engineers unlocked so a tech broker FSD and Surface Scanner, all else is stock and left the Bubble on the Sunday.
It's no longer the case that an explorer has to go to Deciat provided they know about the alternative.
I did need to hit Jameson's Cobra for the encoded mats but that was the only 'popular' system involved.
 
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Konan

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Imho, people who are murderers ingame should have their ship insurance revoked for a considereable amount of time. It might some rethink their action knowing they may permantly lose their ship. I mean, what insurance company would do insure a pirate? At least make their ppremium go up.
 

ethelred

ethelred
Konan said:
Imho, people who are murderers ingame should have their ship insurance revoked for a considereable amount of time. It might some rethink their action knowing they may permantly lose their ship. I mean, what insurance company would do insure a pirate? At least make their ppremium go up.
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Fundamentally disagree with this and all other "rebuy should be on the attacker" ideas as:-

1. "Prevents" people playing their own way.
2. Presumably isn't active for CMDRs against NPCs
3. Is easily exploitable by creative use of flying into fliring arcs
4. Pirate insurance

And most importantly of all - past a couple of days after your FDL (or whatever) purchase, credits are meaningless. Not only would credit charges be a drop in the ocean in a G5 engineered CMDRs funds, it wouldn't discourage any Deciat camper in the slightest, whilst mildly inconveniencing any and all PvPers throughout the bubble.

No thanks.
 
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Navigare Necesse Est

Navigare Necesse Est
We all know that just playing the game is a load of wash in the context of this thread for engineering. For anything close to fair fight you need engineering and everyone needs it day 1 in open. It's not something players wish for - it is imposed on them by the unfair match-ups
 

Cosmik_Debris

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Felix DiCestria said:
I would hold that to be false.
If you don't visit the 'popular' systems it's perfectly feasible to go for long periods without hostile encounters.
I haven't had any away from a CG system and I've been wandering around the Bubble for years.
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Yeah its literally just CG systems, ShinDez and Deciat.

The only concession i make is to only visit ShinDez in my ungankable courier (i only go there to buy new ships anyway)

Edit: Maybe Sol as well. I dont go there since the engineer has only got one useful blueprint really and doesnt do useful experimentals.
 

Navigare Necesse Est

Navigare Necesse Est
Felix DiCestria said:
I would hold that to be false.
If you don't visit the 'popular' systems it's perfectly feasible to go for long periods without hostile encounters.
I haven't had any away from a CG system and I've been wandering around the Bubble for years.
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I may not be hot for PvP today but that wasnt always the case and then it was easily accessible without having to grind months to be competitive.
There simply is no point to hop into pvp as new player. As consequence the pop dried up even faster.
 

Robert Maynard

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Robert Maynard
Felix DiCestria said:
I would hold that to be false.
If you don't visit the 'popular' systems it's perfectly feasible to go for long periods without hostile encounters.
I haven't had any away from a CG system and I've been wandering around the Bubble for years.
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The size of the play area vs. the number of players on each platform guarantees that the risk posed by other players averaged over the number of systems is infinitessimally small - however it's highly variable, ranging from zero to rebuy dependent on which system one is in at what time of day.
 

Felix DiCestria

Felix DiCestria
Cosmik_Debris said:
Because i dont care about money, given the 7 billion on my carrier that i have nothing to spend on.

Jamesons stocks every single module, so i can outfit exactly as i want without hunting around, thats the only reason i use it. The discount is just a bonus.
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Have you considered Brestla?
You can even park a carrier in orbit.
 
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