Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

[Agony_Aunt]

 

[Agony_Aunt]

 

[metatheurgist]

Ouch.

 

[Ebob]

Blimey, the Derek Smart of SotA has emerged, to draw some parallels…

Spoiler

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/slk6bk

Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/slk6bk/interesting_post_in_the_ars_technica_comments/

The TLDR is: He thinks CIG have blamed unbelievers to galvanise the faithful, as a strategy. And that it’s a bad sign. (Tacitly admitting internal struggles with the impossible dream game, and that it’s not getting better any time soon. And directing anger for that elsewhere.) He presumes that things will get uglier on that front in the long-term.

I'm not going to read things coming from the Derek Smart of anything.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Anyway, can someone tell me when one of the forum faithful start talking about what to expect in the coming year? Be sure to remind them that by doing so they are distracting the developers by talking about future stuff as though we should expect it to actually happen!

 

[cigwatch]

Since we are now considering whether this passive aggression was a calculated move from CIG, the most plausible explanation I read is this one:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/sl6qqa/_/hvp20vt

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/sl6qqa/we_need_to_give_cig_credit_where_credit_is_due/hvp20vt/


Coming from a person specialising in helping others sell their SC accounts on the second-hand market.

 

[Zetta]

I'm not going to read things coming from the Derek Smart of anything.

There there, it's ok. See, there is no monster under the bed, now go back to sleep Timmy!

 

[Zetta]

People shouldn't read too much into this. CIG are not puppet masters and this idea they are pulling strings is just conspiracists desperately looking for some reason in the chaos. It's just a back alley CIG know what they are doing, that CIG are actually competent afterall, albeit in a manipulative way in this case. And that is complete nonsense.

Don't attribute to malice that which is explained by incompetence. K.I.S.S

 

[Ebob]

There there, it's ok. See, there is no monster under the bed, now go back to sleep Timmy!

There is a monster under CR's bed. Every night Chris attempts to go to sleep, he is woken up by a voice whispering "90 days, Chris, 90 daaaayyssss"

 

[Ebob]

People shouldn't read too much into this. CIG are not puppet masters and this idea they are pulling strings is just conspiracists desperately looking for some reason in the chaos. It's just a back alley CIG know what they are doing, that CIG are actually competent afterall, albeit in a manipulative way in this case. And that is complete nonsense.

Don't attribute to malice that which is explained by incompetence. K.I.S.S

If people followed your advice, there would be no refunds sub. What a tragic world that would be.

 

[StuartGT]

Stolen from SaltEMike's discord:

 

[StuartGT]

There is a monster under CR's bed. Every night Chris attempts to go to sleep, he is woken up by a voice whispering "90 days, Chris, 90 daaaayyssss"

That explains why Chris told the roadmap team to reduce the Release View to only one quarter - 90 days tops.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Stolen from SaltEMike's discord:

Stonks!

 

[Zetta]

There is a monster under CR's bed. Every night Chris attempts to go to sleep, he is woken up by a voice whispering "90 days, Chris, 90 daaaayyssss"

You want to see a monster under CR's bed because then you can don your $10,000 shiny white armor and pick up your $3000 jpeg sword to defend him.

If people followed your advice, there would be no refunds sub. What a tragic world that would be.

How's that? Saying you would give refunds and then backing out of refunds is a different thing entirely. See this is just low reaching from you, as per usual.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

That is the thing precisely, I do not think CIG has ever been "transparent".

I imagine what you call transparency is along the lines of all the 104TC, or videos or Cons or pillar talks and the like etc. I even fully understand enjoying the subscriber content and detailed explanations therein etc. But in reality CIG has always been exactly as transparent as they have wanted to be, which wasn´t really much when it comes to reasonably represent the important matters, the real state of progress in SC/SQ42 or the main mistakes or blockers they may have encountered. In fact CIG have pretty much hidden those issues and blockers and purporting things were closer or better than they really were. In fact I would argue that is worst than simply not being transparent, that is misinformation.

Other developers that I consider much better at professional communications and transparency would be for exemple UW with Subnautica or Harebrained with the Battletech Kickstarter and development etc. Plenty more where those came from.

Lol, they#ve been lying for 10 years. There is nothing transparent in a house of cards with walls of lies.

 

[Dooguk]

you can don your $10,000 shiny white armor

Surely you mean cardboard and sticky tape armour in this case?

 

[Dooguk]

Bootcha on SA found a cautionary tale. It's quite long so here is the link...

https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...id=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1943#post521263338

Edit: Sorry guys I now see this has already been posted.
Lesson learned, don't post without morning coffee.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

Getting too close to politics for this forum, but i've never understood this obsession with guns they have in the US. I've enjoyed living in countries with restrictions on gun ownership and felt safe. I've never worried about some gun toting maniac entering my house with the intent of killing me and my family. But in the US people behave as though this is an actual thing that could happen. Perhaps the only reason it could happen is because anyone and their dog can get a gun?

And what a well-regulated militia it is, too!

 

[Ebob]

How's that? Saying you would give refunds and then backing out of refunds is a different thing entirely. See this is just low reaching from you, as per usual.

I mean the reddit forum! They mostly don't talk about refunding their anyway! It's all talk about the newest scam, newest ship, newest "faithful" post, and the weekly predictions of CIG Offices spontaneously combusting next quarter!

 

[Viajero]

Blimey, the Derek Smart of SotA has emerged, to draw some parallels…

Spoiler

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/slk6bk

Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/slk6bk/interesting_post_in_the_ars_technica_comments/

The TLDR is: He thinks CIG have blamed unbelievers to galvanise the faithful, as a strategy. And that it’s a bad sign. (Tacitly admitting internal struggles with the impossible dream game, and that it’s not getting better any time soon. And directing anger for that elsewhere.) He presumes that things will get uglier on that front in the long-term.

That is a great read actually.

But I opened this long post by quoting Garriott abusing some of the user base; And this is what I think is happening with Star Citizen now. A wise Cult Leaders abuses the Evil Ones to shore up faith amongst the Whales. It turns away those who would be put off by increasing fundamentalism, so you only do it when the financials are looking precarious; when you cannot deny the peril any further, you weaponise the sense of peril and shore up your core support

At their base, the game development would literally stop if the money wasn't coming in; because the whole point is to constantly take money, and use development as the hook to keep the believers spending. Even if you believe the public rationale, that they need the money to do the development, they fall so far behind on the promises made that you'd need to spend for years, decades, to catch up with the Utopia you've been promised. So you can't ever stop spending, or the whole thing grinds to a halt.

Sure some will say "I enjoyed the ride", because they have to say that rather than address the fact their faith was misplaced... but the sad reality is that despite over half a billion in income Star Citizen still doesn't have more than an Alpha quality structure, and yet has over 10 years of accumulated unfulfilled software promises.