Trying out the dynamic campaign editor mod for the last wee while...liking it so far although I'm still sticking to Helis
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Ye, I was crafting my own campaigns. Dude drives home in GAZ truck when coup happens. Rushes to airfield and all there is is old Fishbed and string of mission ensues.Trying out the dynamic campaign editor mod for the last wee while...liking it so far although I'm still sticking to Helis
There comes a point where you have to face up to the fact that CIG are taking their unaccountability for granted, that time comes when for years they have delivered little progress and as a result of that unashamedly remove the only thing people had to hold them to any slight of accountability.
That is what is really going on here and if you can't see that you're a ######## idiot, SaltEMike is a ####### idiot.
Even made little battle scenario with units moving in to have a backdrop to fight. Night, but that really sucks with Ka 50. The reservoir area and the area leading to long tunnel are good, too. Ppl even flew through the tunnel!
Its because there are various factors at play. One is of course the source of funding. FD mainly doing things on their own dime then delivering products, whereas CIG continue cap in hand without delivering. But also the manner of how things change.
CIG generate hype, and money, then walk back on it. And not just once, but repeatedly. And they always delay the negative news until after a ship sale. Can't have the negative news affecting their cash for ships business!
And when FD fail to deliver, they get called out for it, and rightfully so. But as i commented elsewhere, a lot of SC backers are like the proverbial goldfish, they seemingly forget CIG have pulled the rug before and fail to see they will do it again.
All devs have plans change, but none so much depend on delivering on their promises as CIG... well, you'd think so, but it appears that CIG can treat their backers like poo and they will continue to throw money at them.
So... i'm lost, i think the whole world is just topsy turvey at times.
At the end of the day, FD produced a game that was reviewable and people can decide whether to buy what is there based on what exists. Can't say the same for SC. Pre-orders, i think many of us will agree, need to die, because it shifts the risk from developers to consumers.
For some CIG can do no wrong. However, this may not stop others realising that giving CIG money for limited results may not, after all, be a particularly good idea.
It just amazes me CIG haven't learnt a simple trick of managing expectations after all this time.
For years their roadmaps would be we (tentatively, plans can change, yadda yadda) will add A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H
Then comes the patch and they add
A, D, H, and sometimes out of nowhere Z.
Now they are basically saying, nah, we can't predict stuff at all, so we won't tell you anything.
But there is another way that works better.
You say next patch we are adding A and D.
Then, when you eventually add A, D, H, and Z out of nowhere, now you look amazing! And if you only manage A and D, nobody is the wiser! And on those odd occasions where you fail to deliver A or D, no worries, because on average you are exceeding expectations anyway.
If you consistently fail at delivering A and D or whatever, then you are completely boned anyway.
However, doing it that way is not as good for funding. Can't build the hype and make more ship sales.
For years their roadmaps would be we (tentatively, plans can change, yadda yadda) will add A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H
Then comes the patch and they add
A, D, H, and sometimes out of nowhere Z.
Now they are basically saying, nah, we can't predict stuff at all, so we won't tell you anything.
But there is another way that works better.
You say next patch we are adding A and D.
Then, when you eventually add A, D, H, and Z out of nowhere, now you look amazing! And if you only manage A and D, nobody is the wiser! And on those odd occasions where you fail to deliver A or D, no worries, because on average you are exceeding expectations anyway.
If you consistently fail at delivering A and D or whatever, then you are completely boned anyway.
However, doing it that way is not as good for funding. Can't build the hype and make more ship sales.
I agree.
I gave CIG $35 in 2012 and nothing since.
I also gave Frontier .... money in 2012 and have suffered from change of plans, or maybe, if I'm being charitable, unrealised plans since.
Video games developers are businesses, but crowd funding had them acting like charities, expecting donations with no strings attached. As stated by AA, a poor model, especially for comsumers.
Again... what?
robertsspaceindustries.com
My reply.
The shift to Sq42 is a good thing - Star Citizen Spectrum
Because this game needs to get out ASAP! or it will be just too old to be worth! SC can wait but they have to be Clear and Cristalline on the development and the releases even for the whole plan...
robertsspaceindustries.com
My reply.
2022 in review
. (And 2021. And...)The thing is though, they've just made it easier to spot. If the roadmap doesn't even dangle all the big Hull C and Server Meshing style advances, the big "A and Ds", and it's all just coffee shop equivalents, the question is going to keep boiling over: Where is all the good stuff? Why are we just getting coffee dregs for quarter after quarter?
CIG can still try and hype-juice all the grand stuff up via videos alone. Keep it all in the nebulous wonder-future. But you've gotta wonder how long it'll be before some backers harden into a stance of: 'Vids are just vids. Until it's on the roadmap / in the game, I don't care.'
Might sucker some noobs, and keep some hardcore whales happy in the meantime. But is that enough, long-term? The whole 'jam tomorrow' roadmapping has always been a big part of the allure.
(Incidentally this whole PR move kinda suggests even the Tier 0 server meshing isn't going full steam ahead. Seeing as that was meant to be the big distraction for this year. Q3 for the unexciting database addition anybody?
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This, for a week of ship sales is crap, the last week of ship sales was more than $15 Million.
They have some serious thinking to do because a continuation of that ^^^^^ is what will end all of it.
A lot of us have been in "When it's on my SSD, Ci¬G." mode for quite a few years...especially those of us who've survived a few years into Ci¬G's self made dumpster fire development. The newer guys do what we old farts did in the beginning...expect Ci¬G's marketing tripe to be how it is and then shouting a lot when it isn't. I already roughly predicted 2022 for Star Citizen about 100 pages ago in this very thread...from a realists point of view rather than the hopeful ramblings of the shouty new folk.2022 in review
The thing is though, they've just made it easier to spot. If the roadmap doesn't even dangle all the big Hull C and Server Meshing style advances, the big "A and Ds", and it's all just coffee shop equivalents, the question is going to keep boiling over: Where is all the good stuff? Why are we just getting coffee dregs for quarter after quarter?
CIG can still try and hype-juice all the grand stuff up via videos alone. Keep it all in the nebulous wonder-future. But you've gotta wonder how long it'll be before some backers harden into a stance of: 'Vids are just vids. Until it's on the roadmap / in the game, I don't care.'
Might sucker some noobs, and keep some hardcore whales happy in the meantime. But is that enough, long-term? The whole 'jam tomorrow' roadmapping has always been a big part of the allure.
(Incidentally this whole PR move kinda suggests even the Tier 0 server meshing isn't going full steam ahead. Seeing as that was meant to be the big distraction for this year. Q3 for the unexciting database addition anybody?
As older...but not necessarily wiser backers... what's got our backs up more than the usual beginning of year reality check after Ci¬G's planning week that lasts an entire month, was to be reminded yet again in no uncertain terms that we as long term supporters of this dumpster dive of a project no longer matter since we're not the ones likely to be bringing in the much needed new cash. Knowing that fact as opposed to reading it writ large in a dev blog are two completely different things...we all have our misguided dreams of our contribution being viewed as at least a little bit important.
Living through the development of Star Citizen as a backer is like the death of a thousand cuts...but when Ci¬G themselves start rubbing salt into the already open wounds at the same time as opening a few new cuts, it tends to result in a bit of shouting
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Try as hard as you want, these besides being of debatable interest, were actually delivered. And the final product works, without constant crashing, without constant massive desync, with acceptable physics, semi-decent framerate, etc. Also FDev had a different strategy from CiG: after releasing successfully their initial KS scope, they promised next to nothing, and just delivered that, no disappointment. Meanwhile CiG promised mountains of features, with NPC AI simulation requiring an amount of power similar to the NEC Earth Simulator, and many game loops that are AAA games (remember underwater gameplay with full exploration, aquatic fauna and flora, underwater caves ? Yes, that was a thing, and yes, it's a full fledged game by itself) which of course is absolutely impossible to release in a lifetime. Maybe reducing that feature set back to "space game, with ships and legs, space trucking, mining and fighting" would have been realistic, but CR is still himself and is spending millions on whisky glass simulation and the janitor that will clean up the space station that dirties over time, because yes that's also a thing.
I have a question for you Ebob: where is "salvage" ?
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XT is not working anymore across all servers. We now get the announcement when connecting, then nothing appears. A few hours before that, missions were stuck on every server (at "deliver the goods" phase, even though everything was delivered). The event lasted about 2 days, degrading quickly into this situation.
Moist Noodle spends an hour trying to play, and then just seems to walk away from the stream...
Source: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1289128384?t=0h28m00s
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Would come as a surprise to nobody if true i think.
And the faithful who have been preaching that its coming will quickly pivot to saying "nothing is fixed, plans change"
This, for a week of ship sales is crap, the last week of ship sales was more than $15 Million.
On the one hand yes. On the other hand, i wish i could make millions just by producing JPGs.
Brilliant. I'll have to use that at some point.
"It takes so long to get anywhere" - haven't we said the same thing?
"there's nothing to do in the cities" - haven't we said the same thing?
"there's so much waiting around, and its the boring type of waiting around" - haven't we said the same thing?
LOL, then he goes on to compare the lifts negatively against the lifts in drum roll Cyberpunk