Console Update

[Sunleader]

Some other time.


You made the assertion, you go first.



According to your 2c.


Not at all.


There's a pattern here, I think.


Elite hasn't finished development.



So?


So all these current MMOS on current generation hardware have versions for all the previous console generations too then?


They just announced it, what was released in the past will remain accordingly, though I'm sure current materials will be updated to reflect the situation. It's a rather shallow argument you're making here.


Not in the mood for a big discussion as I know the argumentum ad nauseum factor of forum discussions is too much for some to resist, and I frankly can't be arsed. You've quoted no sources for your argument but you want me to do to the running around, sorry. No. The entire basis of your point thus far is a personal anecdote and a type of appeal to authority, and that's pretty much it.

And Here I got my Hopes up you would actually Discuss something with me.
Instead you just keep throwing out irrelevant one liners with no Arguments or Points at all.
On top of trying to Quote out of Context to Change the Meaning of what I say.

Quite Dissappointing really.

1.
Then dont Boast about it. Cause Frankly. I smell a Rat there.

2.
So basicly you dont know of any. Nice we got that cleared up.

3.
Thats the Point of my Explanation Mate.
Its way more than you got so far.

4.
Just saying No. Is not an Argument Mate. If you cant Argue your Point then you dont have a Point. As simple as that

5.
Yep.
That Pattern is that you try to use out of Context Quotes to Change the Meaning of what I say. And then give Answers of Denial without any Reasoning or Argument of your own
A Quite Dissappointing Pattern to be Honest.
After you First Post I assumed you had some Experience and thus wanted to have a Discussion on this.
But now it seems you effectively got nothing to say at all on this and just wanted to Deny a Truth you didnt like hearing.

6.
Which is the Point of my Explanation which once again you only Quoted Partially.
Team Fortress 2 Development was Finished. Development Stopped because the Game was done.
But Elite Dangerous is not Done. As such Stopping Development means they leave it Unfinished.

7.
You Quote on this is completely out of Context Mate.
And your Answer is also Irrelevant to the closest thing I said on that Topic.
Because MMOs dont need a Version for the later Console.
Thats the Point of these Newer Consoles being Backwards Compatible.
They can Play these very same Games with the very same Version on the Newer Console which has better Hardware.

8.
Well Mate. Where I come from. If you Advertise a Product you Sell with a Promise of Future Upgrades and Updates for it. And then Cancel these. But leave the Advertisement Online. That is called Fraud. And Entitles People to demand these Upgrades and Updates or receive a Full Refund.

9.
Well Mate. If your not up for a Discussion then dont Start one.
I made a proper Explanation with Proper Arguments.
You so far Presented nothing. You dont just refuse to explain your Argument Properly. You actually dont even make an Argument at all.

I am also somewhat puzzled as to what you ask a Source for.
I have talked about my Personal Experience. And I made that absolutely Clear in my Words.
So I am not sure what kind of Source you Expect. The Source for my Experiences is Me you know.
I can Link you to my Post above. But that makes little sense does it ?

Or are you in a roundabout way trying to ask me for Examples of Games which Died like this ?
The most Recent One where I gave that Warning was Life is Feudal MMO.
Back then they Closed the Server I was playing on to Focus on a New Bigger Server.
They thus Abandoned a Major Part of their Playerbase. And back then I told them the same.
That was a few Years ago. Last Year then they Closed forever.



If you dont wish to have a Discussion just say so.
Dont start giving me nonsense troll messages that serve no purpose beyond me losing Respect for you.

 

[Fizzatron]

The thing I am peeved about is that during this period of cost of living crisis they want us to buy a PC for at least £1,500 in order to play the game. The PS5 should be quite capable as games and demos like FC6 and The Matrix has shown.

Demos are just that, though the Matrix one is particularly impressive as a display of Unreal Engine 5's capabilities. There are multiple game engines out and Unreal 5 has really leapt ahead of the pack so it's going to be that either games will switch their current engine to Unreal 5, which is unlikely for any continuously developed games, or whoever is in charge of developing other engines, like Unity, CryEngine etc, and Frontier's own inhouse developed engine, Cobra, will have to work out and implement the same techniques to bring their engines up to speed.

I think it is reasonable to believe that if Elite Dangerous had been developed in Unreal, these issues would have not happened, but then that's neglecting the qutie likely fact that for a game like Elite Dangerous, Unreal may not have been capable of sustaining the Stellar Forge. Star Citizen ran into problems going a similar route and had to switch, having reached a dead end. I don't blame Frontier for using their own tech, I just hope they are able to develop it further to support the new Unreal 5 type features.

 

[Fizzatron]

And Here I got my Hopes up you would actually Discuss something with me.
Instead you just keep throwing out irrelevant one liners with no Arguments or Points at all.
On top of trying to Quote out of Context to Change the Meaning of what I say.

Quite Dissappointing really.

1.
Then dont Boast about it. Cause Frankly. I smell a Rat there.

Maybe it's coming from you, I need not prove anything here.

2.
So basicly you dont know of any. Nice we got that cleared up.

I didn't say that at all, and you made the assertion which you still haven't backed up, so.... maybe our ideas of what constitutes a fair discussion differ.

3.
Thats the Point of my Explanation Mate.
Its way more than you got so far.

4.
Just saying No. Is not an Argument Mate. If you cant Argue your Point then you dont have a Point. As simple as that

LOL, argumentum ad nauseum. Complete with claiming victory without having to provide any sources for the initial point. Good day sir.

5.
Yep.
That Pattern is that you try to use out of Context Quotes to Change the Meaning of what I say. And then give Answers of Denial without any Reasoning or Argument of your own
A Quite Dissappointing Pattern to be Honest.
After you First Post I assumed you had some Experience and thus wanted to have a Discussion on this.
But now it seems you effectively got nothing to say at all on this and just wanted to Deny a Truth you didnt like hearing.

6.
Which is the Point of my Explanation which once again you only Quoted Partially.
Team Fortress 2 Development was Finished. Development Stopped because the Game was done.
But Elite Dangerous is not Done. As such Stopping Development means they leave it Unfinished.

7.
You Quote on this is completely out of Context Mate.
And your Answer is also Irrelevant to the closest thing I said on that Topic.
Because MMOs dont need a Version for the later Console.
Thats the Point of these Newer Consoles being Backwards Compatible.
They can Play these very same Games with the very same Version on the Newer Console which has better Hardware.

8.
Well Mate. Where I come from. If you Advertise a Product you Sell with a Promise of Future Upgrades and Updates for it. And then Cancel these. But leave the Advertisement Online. That is called Fraud. And Entitles People to demand these Upgrades and Updates or receive a Full Refund.

9.
Well Mate. If your not up for a Discussion then dont Start one.
I made a proper Explanation with Proper Arguments.
You so far Presented nothing. You dont just refuse to explain your Argument Properly. You actually dont even make an Argument at all.

I am also somewhat puzzled as to what you ask a Source for.
I have talked about my Personal Experience. And I made that absolutely Clear in my Words.
So I am not sure what kind of Source you Expect. The Source for my Experiences is Me you know.
I can Link you to my Post above. But that makes little sense does it ?

Or are you in a roundabout way trying to ask me for Examples of Games which Died like this ?
The most Recent One where I gave that Warning was Life is Feudal MMO.
Back then they Closed the Server I was playing on to Focus on a New Bigger Server.
They thus Abandoned a Major Part of their Playerbase. And back then I told them the same.
That was a few Years ago. Last Year then they Closed forever.



If you dont wish to have a Discussion just say so.
Dont start giving me nonsense troll messages that serve no purpose beyond me losing Respect for you.

TLR

 

[Deleted member 166264]

It's quite telling that no one (with one exception, which was just a funny meme) has responded to a rather interesting post by Bottom Hat, buried somewhere in the depths of this thread. I'll try to find it, hold on....

Console Update

I'm not nor will I ever ask for a refund of the game, I've enjoyed my time in the galaxy and had my money's worth. But I would like to get a refund for the small fortune I spent on ARX in preparation for Odyssey since it's coming to console announcement. Also I'm seeing absolutely nothing in...

forums.frontier.co.uk

or go directly to the link at the bottom of his post:

https://customersupport.frontier.co.uk/hc/en-us/articles/4404354777234-Can-I-transfer-my-assets-or-commander-between-PC-Xbox-One-and-PS4-

The request was:

Can I transfer my assets or commander between PC, Xbox One and PS4™?​

This link to a 5 month old response from Frontier support to a request for an account transfer even shows a small glimmer of hope for you all, but also that transferring to PC accounts seems anything but trivial - and yet doable, at least not completely impossible. But no one has reacted seriously, as if everyone is only here for the really big feelings and of course, if their own wishes and hopes can't be satisfied, they have to talk up the grandiose doom for everyone and the entire game.

No one responded to it because it's a link to the current transfer option, which none of us want. What we'd like is a way to transfer everything, not just our credits and have to restart everything else from scratch.

 

[Bottom Hat]

Why are you even here?

I'm guessing it's dooooommmmmmmmmm-fever!

 

[CMDR DUANES]

OK, I've calmed down a little. I have been playing since the December after XBox release - 2015. In that time I have invested thousands of hours of gameplay, the paid update of Horizons, published several documents regarding the evolving storyline, which in itself took thousands of hours, bought things from the store, achieved triple Elite, explored, traded, fought, and generally had a great time. When the Odyssey release was on its way, I waited patiently for it. I have achieved pretty much all I want to achieve in Horizons, and was looking forward to upgrading the game and investing further in Frontier's product. I have not made mention of the friends made within the various player groups I have been privileged to be a part of, and occasionally lead.

The announcement that Odyssey is now not coming to console, and that future development for console is cancelled leaves me (and thousands of others) with a big problem. We have invested in the product, and would continue to do so IF we were given an opportunity to continue our journey. Here's the rub... In order to continue investing, we need a method to do so. After 7 years, I can't start again - I need all of my progress transferring to PC. I have no problems buying a system capable of running the game both now and in the future, and no problems re-purchasing the game, particularly since I was going to buy Odyssey anyway. What I can't do and won't do is start from the beginning.

I have sold everything which is unnecessary - parked in Shinrarta with only two ships, a vault of modified modules, and billions in the bank. The assets are easy enough to move. The codex and all of the progress I have made is what I'm more interested in. Ranks, achievements, the virtual embodiment of 7 years of investment. That's what I want to keep. I think that goes for most console players too.

Its a straight forward business transaction - provide full commander transfer to PC, or lose thousands of customers and all of your reputation. Your share price is plummeting - I wouldn't invest in a company which will happily dump 1/3 of its customers without some kind of assistance programme. You are now into damage limitation. So limit the damage you have caused.

I am aware that you have said it is being discussed, but why was it not discussed prior to the announcement? Are you really so naive that you didn't see this question coming?

That was the best console-player reaction I've seen so far.

 

[Wotthe Dickens]

out of curiosity how would people feel about an ED2 , start from scratch with current consoles and pc in mind.? I think those with a Horizons LTP would lose out as they never hit break even but other than that I do think starting from scratch may be the best way to go.

that said. Given FDs lack of interest with VR now I doubt it would support it so sadly (for me) I would not be along for the ride but it could solve most problems imo

When I wear my software engineer hat, being able to start from scratch on a project is always a dream! Even well designed and built software can benefit from lessons learnt in practice. But it’s very rare to have the time / financial means in place to do that.
I was kinda hoping (but not expecting) that the recent interest in a FD buy out would result in Braben keeping his baby (ED) out of the sale to continue with renewed investment but yeah....
Also, I’m a LEP Kickstarter and would be kinda unhappy if any new ED wasn’t included

 

[LeoBartlet]

Also, I’m a LEP Kickstarter and would be kinda unhappy if any new ED wasn’t included

An unhappy LEPper!!!

I'm shocked

 

[yorky3093]

It seems that I have gone too far this time. I made a suggestion that was not thought out and uncalled for, and would like to take this opportunity to apologise

 

[Sakashiro]

Wrong. Did you even read what it is?

Well, I did, and it literally says: "DLC, Arx, cosmetics, ranks, merits, cargo, and other in-game progress cannot be transferred and will have to be re-earned or repurchased."

 

[Deleted member 166264]

Wrong. Did you even read what it is?

Yes, I have read it. Did you?

 

[Scary Asp Explorer]

so entire elite dangerous game can come to an end in matter of couple years,shame that console players are getting ganked but probably odyssey was last frontier bullet in gun. hoping that ED horizons wont be closed doors.

i do remember another game that first was browser game then ported to client like ED but soon game was shutdown.

 

[Frank]

Nope, I barely paid attention to it and scrolled further. After your post, I looked at it and then decided it indeed wasn't worth it.

I would have thought most people would have missed my post. I'm glad you've decided to draw attention to it and give Manticore's post the attention that it deserves

Please don't let me stop you from replying to my posts... let's keep this going

 

[Wotthe Dickens]

An unhappy LEPper!!!

I'm shocked

hey! I didn’t say I’m unhappy! There was an ‘if’ there :-D

 

[Manticore]

Greetings Commanders,

Elite Dangerous is a game close to my heart.

Well your feelings about the game might be one thing Mr Braben but that helps no one who has been impacted by your decision.

How about providing specific detail for console players about:

1. What can be expected for console support for EDH into the future knowing we can't have Odyssey on consoles.
2. What migration to PC is possible for console players who wish to do so.

Your feelings don't count for much when the money is coming out of other people's wallets. FD should provide specific detail about what they can, cannot and won't do for console players.

 

[kinglemo2000]

I've been out in the black since Odyssey dropped, waiting for PS4 news and avoiding the other forums as I didn't want to stumble on any spoilers. Was just journeying back home when I read this post, not sure for what purpose now as I am still a long way out. Will probably finish the journey, sell the fleet carrier and mothball my ships. I really thought ED was always going to be there for me, PS4 short term and PS5 longer term, but that door has now been closed, I guess I will wait for Bethesda Starfield and see how that works out.
o7 cmdrs, it has been a real pleasure, signing off now, over and out.

Isn't Starfield going to be a Xbox and PC only exclusive now MS own Bethesda

 

[AugustDark]

First, I have played 4953 hours of Elite on the PC (started in 2015), I left the game a couple months after odyssey release. I don't have a console, but I don't have access to a more powerful computer either, so, whatever optimizations come to odyssey, won't help me play it anymore, nor does it make possible to play on old gen consoles.

After all the problems at the early stage of odyssey, and thinking really hard about FDev's track record with Elite. There are many things people have to accept:

1. Frontier is mostly done with Elite, and it's eager to move on to bigger better things, they don't care about how many hours we players have spent in the game, if they have to shut it down, they will. The "player retention" stats was good, to show in shareholders meetings though.

2. There is no plan, there is no story to tell. Whatever FDev is doing is off the cuff. "Lore? What lore, We change and retcon stuff as we please, shut up and buy more ARX!"

3. Locked sectors reserved for future content? Please check item #2. Raxxla?! (maniac laughter) Yeah, the biggest carrot on a stick ever used on a video game.

4. IF there was a plan to transfer saves from consoles to PC, after 10 months this plan should have been devised already, there was nothing in Braben's announcement, meaning FDev never considered it in the first place. Please check item #1.

5. Odyssey has always looked and felt like a separate game, was never really connected to ED in a meaningful way. Was either developed by a complete separate or (maybe) outsourced team, that tried to incorporate the main game's mechanics in it, while never getting it "right". Weird how a different genre of game, flight sim vs. FPS, need different mechanics to work right, don't tell me that none of the 100+ Elite developers ever thought about it.... "Come on man!"

6. Even if the servers stay up for the consoles, why would people still play it? ED on consoles becomes a zombie game, limping along, going nowhere and ever hungry for more brains, I mean, ARX.

I see many people going throught many of the stages of grief, mainly anger and barganing. To all of my former fellow CMDR's I tell you, the best you can do is move on and find something new to play, I can garantee you, there is no lack of options. Maybe you'll never find something that scratches that itch just like Elite did for the past how many years you played it, but I'm sure you'll be better off after all.

o7 CMDRs

 

[Manticore]

First, I have played 4953 hours of Elite on the PC (started in 2015), I left the game a couple months after odyssey release. I don't have a console, but I don't have access to a more powerful computer either, so, whatever optimizations come to odyssey, won't help me play it anymore, nor does it make possible to play on old gen consoles.

After all the problems at the early stage of odyssey, and thinking really hard about FDev's track record with Elite. There are many things people have to accept:

1. Frontier is mostly done with Elite, and it's eager to move on to bigger better things, they don't care about how many hours we players have spent in the game, if they have to shut it down, they will. The "player retention" stats was good, to show in shareholders meetings though.

2. There is no plan, there is no story to tell. Whatever FDev is doing is off the cuff. "Lore? What lore, We change and retcon stuff as we please, shut up and buy more ARX!"

3. Locked sectors reserved for future content? Please check item #2. Raxxla?! (maniac laughter) Yeah, the biggest carrot on a stick ever used on a video game.

4. IF there was a plan to transfer saves from consoles to PC, after 10 months this plan should have been devised already, there was nothing in Braben's announcement, meaning FDev never considered it in the first place. Please check item #1.

5. Odyssey has always looked and felt like a separate game, was never really connected to ED in a meaningful way. Was either developed by a complete separate or (maybe) outsourced team, that tried to incorporate the main game's mechanics in it, while never getting it "right". Weird how a different genre of game, flight sim vs. FPS, need different mechanics to work right, don't tell me that none of the 100+ Elite developers ever thought about it.... "Come on man!"

6. Even if the servers stay up for the consoles, why would people still play it? ED on consoles becomes a zombie game, limping along, going nowhere and ever hungry for more brains, I mean, ARX.

I see many people going throught many of the stages of grief, mainly anger and barganing. To all of my former fellow CMDR's I tell you, the best you can do is move on and find something new to play, I can garantee you, there is no lack of options. Maybe you'll never find something that scratches that itch just like Elite did for the past how many years you played it, but I'm sure you'll be better off after all.

o7 CMDRs

Great post. I can totally agree with many points you make as I have played the game on the PC and PS4.

But I need to clarify point 1.

Yes FD is done with Elite but the bigger and better things are based on having licensing deals for franchises like Jurassic and now from the owners of Formula 1 for this F1 Manager rubbish that the studio is now spruiking.

Because the studio has locked into these licensing deals they move resources away from less profitable areas to service these licensed franchises. Goodbye Elite.

Think about it: Who is more likely to litigate FD if there is a breach of any form of trust or contract. Jurassic franchise owners and F1?

................... or a bunch of console players in a niche game in a niche market.

 

[Rainbro]

Once more, yes I was wrong. But do you realise what this actually means for console players? I thought there was still some hope for you in this message, but seeing now that 5 months ago a single request for a transfer that would most likely be made by hand hadn't even amounted to more than a simple credits transfer, you can work out on one hand how likely it is that you'll get what you want (and mind you, this process would have to be automated). Sounds like a massive undertaking to say the least, I wouldn't hold my breath for it.

We know that they have access to saves on all platforms, and that the save structure on all platforms is identical or nearly so (old bug where console players could log into their save file from PC). Given that, I think the simpler explanation is that Frontier just hadn't bothered to set up a system for transfers, as it must have been a fairly rare request. It's not exactly rare anymore, so we can have hope that it should be possible for Frontier, and maybe even that they'll actually do it if we want to go all out.

 

[zabbadak777]

Great post. I can totally agree with many points you make as I have played the game on the PC and PS4.

But I need to clarify point 1.

Yes FD is done with Elite but the bigger and better things are based on having licensing deals for franchises like Jurassic and now from the owners of Formula 1 for this F1 Manager rubbish that the studio is now spruiking.

Because the studio has locked into these licensing deals they move resources away from less profitable areas to service these licensed franchises. Goodbye Elite.

Think about it: Who is more likely to litigate FD if there is a breach of any form of trust or contract. Jurassic franchise owners and F1?

................... or a bunch of console players in a niche game in a niche market.

I have seen F1 being mentioned a few times? What's the story behind that?