That can happen under any government type so no argument there.
GALNET - 29 MAR 3308 - Empire Reaches Out to Marlinists
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That's my point. Despite being a nutter, the rest of the political class couldn't stop him, proving without any doubt that the Senators were nothing else than convenient resources and puppets.
There was nothing democratic in Rome anymore starting the moment Cesar was inside the wall of Rome with his legio.
Pretty sure they never claimed to be democratic. Even greece didn't want a democratic society as it was mob rule.
At least democracies can in theory stop their Caligulas.
Hitler was elected....
Yea, he got stopped. Similar to how Caligula got stopped.
I won't go into the current crop of "leaders" who need to go.
No. Democracy doesn't have all the power in one end (juridicial, executive...). Separation of power is the core to democracy.
OFC it can be abused, like any other system, and the leader can put his loyal yesmen everywhere, but it's quite a process.
See, in my country to get a law voted, the president say to his minister "we need this law". It then get made into a law project full of words, and it get voted by a congress of elected representatives. They vote for the law, perhaps to change or add-remove some stuff. If the law is approved, it goes to another congress (this time it's an indirect democracy I think) who will establish if the law is legal in regard of the country constitution. Then it get adopted as a law.
Finally, if someone is found guilty of violating that law, they get in an independent court of justice who will decide their fate.
Long process with many safeties and maximum separation of powers. The basics of democracy.
And he removed the separation of power through a mix of force and referendum, until it wasn't a democracy.
Well its a standoff - ALD does not see Marlinists as a military problem, but she still seems to see them as political threat and wants them to exchange ideals for safety. If Marlinists agree she weakens them, if they refuse it gives her wiggle room to keep closer and closer tabs without losing face.
Hence why I said "in theory". I'd rather have a system that might work instead of a system that won't work.
Hooray, I totally forgot! Yup, I prefer to think of it as the "uncle with life experience" camp!
Although if ALD grabbed me like that, I'd not be too upset.
This is both true and not.
At some point the ship on reconciliation sails. Look up the Staten Island Peace Conference.
Adams, Franklin, and Rutledge were sent by the Continental Congress to meet with Admiral Howe after he took Staten Island upon arriving with the British fleet and troops. General Howe (the Admiral's brother) believed the taxation problem could be resolved with the retention of the supremacy of Parliament.
They couldn't come to terms because the Americans had already declared independence and demanded that recognition as a part of any terms.
British again tried to offer self-governance status like a dominion in 1778 but nothing came of that either (a little different than this because they had been at war for a few years at that point).
What I am basically trying to say is that it is too late for this.
He altered the offer. Pray he doesn't alter it further.
Yeah, blaming her for when they do things wrong. Sort of like when it's TJ's fault.
The Empire's force-projection into Marlinist space is perhaps a bit more robust than British force-projection into Colonial America (allowing for centuries of technological progress etc.). Also, the Empire doesn't have nearly the financial issues Britain did. Might just be me, but I think the Emperor presents a better face than did King George too. Collectively that might extend the time frame for what might be considered "too late." Always cool to see some familiarity with history.
Sorry I'm a little late to the party...
To me this deal stinks. In game - my character will oppose this deal and will use any and all means to convince fellow Marlinists of the folly of trusting tyrants. Anyone who thinks that Arissa - even with her newly-found restraint - has changed, must have a very short memory indeed. Less than two years ago, the same Imperial Navy that it is proposed will protect us in future was locking down our systems and murdering our civilians.
Just when we've managed to escape oppression, convince the other powers of our good intentions and finally get our own house in order, the Empire - like a controlling ex-partner who insists that they always loved us and they just need one more chance to prove it - comes round uninvited and unwanted.
Well, I've spent the last year or so keeping the Empire out of the colonies and that's what I intend to continue doing. Should this deal go through and the Imperial Navy moves in to "keep order" then there had better be a lot of them.
To me this deal stinks. In game - my character will oppose this deal and will use any and all means to convince fellow Marlinists of the folly of trusting tyrants. Anyone who thinks that Arissa - even with her newly-found restraint - has changed, must have a very short memory indeed. Less than two years ago, the same Imperial Navy that it is proposed will protect us in future was locking down our systems and murdering our civilians.
Just when we've managed to escape oppression, convince the other powers of our good intentions and finally get our own house in order, the Empire - like a controlling ex-partner who insists that they always loved us and they just need one more chance to prove it - comes round uninvited and unwanted.
Well, I've spent the last year or so keeping the Empire out of the colonies and that's what I intend to continue doing. Should this deal go through and the Imperial Navy moves in to "keep order" then there had better be a lot of them.
Where is Space France when we need them ? The Colonials need help !
Well... There's Remlok...
That'd be a hell of a story arc though: build the Alliance tiff over Sirius into a full-throated reign of terror. Cast Mahon as an echo of Robespierre.
