Buying ships/fleet etc with real world money?

I tend to approach the ARX transaction thing from the perspective that implemented properly it gives developers an additional funding source, and a way for newer players to catch up.
What does new players need to catch up to? This is an often cited reason to why we need to allow to bypass most of the game, so what will these new players then do?

If anything from the past have told us about Elite and players skipping the game, is that players who do this have not learned to fly. Just go back in time and look at all those Anaconda players, who used various get rich fast methods, to buy an Anaconda, and then took it into combat and got obliterated in seconds, because they had no combat experience, and did just about any rookie mistake there are, so of course they failed misserably, and it drained their saved up credits very fast, as they lost shup after ship... . Add to this how they had no knowledge how to deal with Chaff, so they hit nothing with their all gimballed loadout, and on and on the list goes. and since this was before the Advanced docking computer, several even had problems leaving the station, as the standard docking computer only would land you ship.


So adding a mechanic where players can dump hundreds of dollars on new fancy maxed engineered ships. and then they have no cluie on how to use them, which will create new demands, to dumb the game down. Again, we can see this from past experience, as when the AI got improve on, and thgus the skill level to do combat was increased, there was a big outcry from alot of players, that their game now had been ruined. so the AI got tuned down again... And this change would add even more entitlement to these demands, as now players had paid real money to have their game ruined as being to difficult.


So what do you expect all those new players todo ,when using any kind of catch up mechanics, that shortcuts the very important lessons on how do the basic stuff in this game, as we have seen this repeatedly in the past, and the players who took the shortcut are often very upset about how bad their "top tier" ship is, especially at combat, these ships are not living up to what they can see others doing in Youtube videos etc.
 
What does new players need to catch up to? This is an often cited reason to why we need to allow to bypass most of the game, so what will these new players then do?

If anything from the past have told us about Elite and players skipping the game, is that players who do this have not learned to fly. Just go back in time and look at all those Anaconda players, who used various get rich fast methods, to buy an Anaconda, and then took it into combat and got obliterated in seconds, because they had no combat experience, and did just about any rookie mistake there are, so of course they failed misserably, and it drained their saved up credits very fast, as they lost shup after ship... . Add to this how they had no knowledge how to deal with Chaff, so they hit nothing with their all gimballed loadout, and on and on the list goes. and since this was before the Advanced docking computer, several even had problems leaving the station, as the standard docking computer only would land you ship.


So adding a mechanic where players can dump hundreds of dollars on new fancy maxed engineered ships. and then they have no cluie on how to use them, which will create new demands, to dumb the game down. Again, we can see this from past experience, as when the AI got improve on, and thgus the skill level to do combat was increased, there was a big outcry from alot of players, that their game now had been ruined. so the AI got tuned down again... And this change would add even more entitlement to these demands, as now players had paid real money to have their game ruined as being to difficult.


So what do you expect all those new players todo ,when using any kind of catch up mechanics, that shortcuts the very important lessons on how do the basic stuff in this game, as we have seen this repeatedly in the past, and the players who took the shortcut are often very upset about how bad their "top tier" ship is, especially at combat, these ships are not living up to what they can see others doing in Youtube videos etc.
One simple example I’ve posted about before: my daughter saw me watching a YouTube video of a certain female AXI pilot and got inspired to go hunt Thargoids. Father/daughter Thargoid hunter. Very cool. Not cool: The grind to get a basic AX ship put together. So I did it for her; mostly while she was doing homework. I’m familiar with the holistic arguments against, but they all basically come down to telling someone else how they should be playing the game. Would have happily spent ARX to skip that grind and get straight to business. Good times and no downside.
 
I tend to approach the ARX transaction thing from the perspective that implemented properly it gives developers an additional funding source, and a way for newer players to catch up.
It’s a game that’s about being a nobody, starting out with some very basic equipment and making your way in a cold, uncaring and hostile galaxy.

Paying for ships or anything else non-cosmetic with real money is fundamentally at odds with what the game is supposed to be. It’s not letting new players catch up, it’s doing the exact opposite. It’s paying to skip the game.
 
One simple example I’ve posted about before: my daughter saw me watching a YouTube video of a certain female AXI pilot and got inspired to go hunt Thargoids. Father/daughter Thargoid hunter. Very cool. Not cool: The grind to get a basic AX ship put together. So I did it for her; mostly while she was doing homework. I’m familiar with the holistic arguments against, but they all basically come down to telling someone else how they should be playing the game. Would have happily spent ARX to skip that grind and get straight to business. Good times and no downside.
It starts with grindskips and ends with chances at exclusive double/triple/quad-engineered modules.
Pay to skip is the entry to pay-to-win.
 
One simple example I’ve posted about before: my daughter saw me watching a YouTube video of a certain female AXI pilot and got inspired to go hunt Thargoids. Father/daughter Thargoid hunter. Very cool. Not cool: The grind to get a basic AX ship put together. So I did it for her; mostly while she was doing homework. I’m familiar with the holistic arguments against, but they all basically come down to telling someone else how they should be playing the game. Would have happily spent ARX to skip that grind and get straight to business. Good times and no downside.
Do you ever listen to yourself to what you say ???? You sound like your the only father/daughter or son duel playing this game or wanting to play this game together. Point is you play the whole game, you can't start this game and go ahead fight Thargoids. That is the whole point of this game. You can't start new game in Skyrim and go fight Dragons (unless you cheat, that I believe you do). Once again, you don't think with your brain, you think with your money. What your saying is preposterous.
 
I'm deadly serious here - for me grinding for fleet is clearly out of space. Instead of spending my time and life to do so - I willing to pay in real money for it.
And automatically - I believe that we should be able to but stuff - you can grind and is fine by me - but if someone wants to skip this part - frontier should give him this option
Let's also be real about amount here...
Despite being against TOS and the general feeling of the community, mine included, I'm sure there are places you could go to acquire such a thing if one were to search accordingly.
 

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I'm deadly serious here - for me grinding for fleet is clearly out of space. Instead of spending my time and life to do so - I willing to pay in real money for it.
And automatically - I believe that we should be able to but stuff - you can grind and is fine by me - but if someone wants to skip this part - frontier should give him this option
Let's also be real about amount here...
Just out of interest, let's say fdev implements your suggestion - what would you buy? And after you bought it, what would you do with it in terms of gameplay?
 
a certain female AXI pilot
Would that be the same one who had a massive dummy spit when she found out that the galaxy and game didn’t revolve around her?

You know, when the Thargoids backed off for a bit?

Let’s say you’d paid the real life money you’re talking about for an AX ship and then there was either a lull in the conflict, or it was fully resolved. What would your reaction be?

I’m certainly not going to suggest you would behave this way, but there are plenty who in that circumstance would be kicking up a massive fuss and either be demanding refunds or demanding that galactic events are changed to revolve around the fact that they’d just spent real money on an AX ship.
 
One simple example I’ve posted about before: my daughter saw me watching a YouTube video of a certain female AXI pilot and got inspired to go hunt Thargoids. Father/daughter Thargoid hunter. Very cool. Not cool: The grind to get a basic AX ship put together. So I did it for her; mostly while she was doing homework. I’m familiar with the holistic arguments against, but they all basically come down to telling someone else how they should be playing the game. Would have happily spent ARX to skip that grind and get straight to business. Good times and no downside.
Why don't you search E-bay and buy yourself a meta (elite, FC and everything you need) account.
 
ED is a single-player game with some group aspects grafted on top of it.
I don't see why one person spending real money on in-game "assets" has an impact on anyone else.
Would have happily spent ARX to skip that grind and get straight to business. Good times and no downside.

You know you can just go to a local hobby shop and purchase really cool spaceship models. If you don't want to take the time to assemble & paint them you can get them pre-made. You can take them home and have lots of RP fun with them. Solo or with a friend, no need to play with others. No grinding for credits or engineering mods. You can create your own amazing stories, its quite marvelous.

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Do you ever listen to yourself to what you say ???? You sound like your the only father/daughter or son duel playing this game or wanting to play this game together. Point is you play the whole game, you can't start this game and go ahead fight Thargoids. That is the whole point of this game. You can't start new game in Skyrim and go fight Dragons (unless you cheat, that I believe you do). Once again, you don't think with your brain, you think with your money. What your saying is preposterous.
Dude, you need help. Please. Make a call, get some counseling, whatever.
 
Would that be the same one who had a massive dummy spit when she found out that the galaxy and game didn’t revolve around her?

You know, when the Thargoids backed off for a bit?

Let’s say you’d paid the real life money you’re talking about for an AX ship and then there was either a lull in the conflict, or it was fully resolved. What would your reaction be?

I’m certainly not going to suggest you would behave this way, but there are plenty who in that circumstance would be kicking up a massive fuss and either be demanding refunds or demanding that galactic events are changed to revolve around the fact that they’d just spent real money on an AX ship.
I have no idea. The woman I'm referring to has always come off as a pretty solid class act. Helpful with her knowledge and good production value on her videos. I've never seen heard of her acting poorly in public, but I suppose its possible: we all have bad days.

We'd have just gone after NHSS's (which I think is what we did as I don't think I got the ship put together in time for the incursion state that was going on at the time). No argument on your third point, but the "this is why we can't have nice things" argument gets a little old sometimes.
 
Why don't you search E-bay and buy yourself a meta (elite, FC and everything you need) account.
...Because I already have everything I need/want*, and for a guy who generally advocates against online activity with a high probability of scamming/ID theft issues it'd be a bit weird to an engage in that sort of foolishness...

*minor caveats for some double-engineered modules I wasn't able to get due to real life making irresistible demands during the relevant CGs. If they're going to have them, I really wish they'd put those things on the Tech Brokers.
 
You know you can just go to a local hobby shop and purchase really cool spaceship models. If you don't want to take the time to assemble & paint them you can get them pre-made. You can take them home and have lots of RP fun with them. Solo or with a friend, no need to play with others. No grinding for credits or engineering mods. You can create your own amazing stories, its quite marvelous.
Could, but I rather enjoy virtually piloting my virtual starships. That and I really don't have the space (if you'll pardon the pun).
 
*minor caveats for some double-engineered modules I wasn't able to get due to real life making irresistible demands during the relevant CGs. If they're going to have them, I really wish they'd put those things on the Tech Brokers.
If you could obtain those from Tech Brokers, they wouldn't be called Rewards. Rewards are fancy modules (addition) but they are not necessity to have.
 
If you could obtain those from Tech Brokers, they wouldn't be called Rewards. Rewards are fancy modules (addition) but they are not necessity to have.
That's why they're a "want" not a "need." You may not be aware of this, but they've put CG rewards on the Tech Brokers before. Not sure what your point is other than a desire to be contrary.
 
One simple example I’ve posted about before: my daughter saw me watching a YouTube video of a certain female AXI pilot and got inspired to go hunt Thargoids. Father/daughter Thargoid hunter. Very cool. Not cool: The grind to get a basic AX ship put together. So I did it for her; mostly while she was doing homework. I’m familiar with the holistic arguments against, but they all basically come down to telling someone else how they should be playing the game. Would have happily spent ARX to skip that grind and get straight to business. Good times and no downside.
So you expect your daughter to enjoy some of the harder combat in Elite. And by the sound of it, with limited experience.


And you are also skipping over the other option already available, multicrew. and since you have already acknowledged that you play her account, there would not be any issue if your daughter played on your account and you where the multicrew member...
 
So you expect your daughter to enjoy some of the harder combat in Elite. And by the sound of it, with limited experience.

And you are also skipping over the other option already available, multicrew. and since you have already acknowledged that you play her account, there would not be any issue if your daughter played on your account and you where the multicrew member...

I expected her to enjoy the content to the extent that she had already expressed interest in it. And she did. Alot. At the time I think she may have had maybe eight hours into the game - basically enough time to be comfortable with the flight controls. We've done some multi-crew, and I've let her fly my fleet, but she prefers the agency of having her own ship. Once I bought her her own Virpil FCS she basically lost interest in any form of using my account.

Am I supposed to feel bad for putting her in a challenging situation, or bad for giving her the tools to make a go of it, or is that I'm supposed to regret not making her grind it all out herself? Seriously, you don't get that much time where your kids have the time and inclination to share your hobbies. Spending that time grinding out Guardian Sites is not what I would call a wise choice.

EDIT: Except of course that's exactly what the youngest junior pilot wanted to do - and really all he wanted to do. Kids, go figure...
 
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