Ships Dont nerf FDL, bring others up.

Gordon Freeman IV

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FDL currently has a high advantage over most other mediums in PvP. This is not balanced. Many say the FDL must get nerfed. I say give other ships a buff to more easily match it instead. My ideas are
-->Federal Dropship- bring hull hardness up to 70, add 2 utility mount, increase speed by 20%, drop weight by 100T (580T->480T)
--> Python- increase base hull by 15%, add 2 more utility mounts.
-->Alliance Chieftain- add 2 utility mounts(would also help with AX), increase base hull by 15%
-->Krait MK II- increase speed and handling 15% add 1 utility mount boost hull hardness to 65.
i can say from experience that i really dont like FDL but wish there were ships that were as good as FDL. (no, mamba does not count i hate that one too)
 

Morbad

Morbad
Far easier, and probably better for gameplay in general, to address the outliers than to try to inflate everything else to match them.

I also have zero confidence in Frontier's ability to balance inflationary upgrades. The FDL itself is the case in point. It was already a top-teir vessel, then they buffed it significantly. Most straight-forward way to increase the use of other medium combat vessels would be to reduce the potency of the current outlier, the FDL.

As for the specific changes, I don't think they would alter the balance much, or make the above vessels competitive with the FDL. They would just remove the Phantom's niche and make the FAS fall even further behind the Chieftain. The exception might be the Dropship...increasing it's speed by 20% would completely disrupt the niches of the other Federal mediums, and could make it second only to the FDL...it basically becomes a faster Challenger with less vulnerable drives.
 

Stabby_Dave

Stabby_Dave
I say leave it alone. For PvP, it can be as overpowered as you like, but if the other person is a better pilot, you're still dead. As for PvE, you can pretty much kill anything whatever you're flying.
 

Erei

Erei
FdL is only super strong in PvP. In PvE it's an average ship IMO.
In PVE, speed and manoeuvrability matter less, while you need some, there is a point where it's wasted. And since it's the thing that put it ahead of others in PvP, well, it's not ahead anymore in pve.

If you nerf FdL, you make it even worse for PvE. If you buff everyone else, you also make it worse for PvE.

Not that I would cry if you made my Krait MKII even better :D
 

Northpin

Northpin
Reverting FDL's PP to size 5 would be a good start
Removing 2 utility slots from FDL (and the Mamba) would seal the deal
 

SergMx

SergMx
Gordon Freeman IV said:
Killing mamba in pvp is def easier on corvette due to its dummy thicc health pool and high damage output but i rather kill mamba in python than fdl in python.
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It's strange, judging ships by their opposition to Python.
I think if you killed either Mamba or FDL in PvP on Python it says more about the poor level of those pilots.
 

Gordon Freeman IV

G
SergMx said:
It's strange, judging ships by their opposition to Python.
I think if you killed either Mamba or FDL in PvP on Python it says more about the poor level of those pilots.
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Not really. I am running 3x OC pacifiers
A LR feedback rail and a LR super pen rail. I have a 6A prismo (30.4% thermo resist) with 2x 6A and a 5A bank. And about 3.1K hull. It hits like a truck and has good durability.
 

SergMx

SergMx
Gordon Freeman IV said:
Not really. I am running 3x OC pacifiers
A LR feedback rail and a LR super pen rail. I have a 6A prismo (30.4% thermo resist) with 2x 6A and a 5A bank. And about 3.1K hull. It hits like a truck and has good durability.
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I see. It's easier for you to get pacifiers on Mamba than on FDL, and that's why FDL needs to be nerfed ;)

Usually i always ask myself: if i think that ship is better than mine why don't i fly it ?
 

cmdr Ramius007

C
Just start from reducing FDL hull harndess, easy to do, and it's better than nothing, we could see galnet article, about FLD hulls having construction failure or something, reducing them below Alliance/Fed line of ships. I agree PP should be c5 only, but currently it's impossible to implement
 

SergMx

SergMx
cmdr Ramius007 said:
Just start from reducing FDL hull harndess, easy to do, and it's better than nothing, we could see galnet article, about FLD hulls having construction failure or something, reducing them below Alliance/Fed line of ships. I agree PP should be c5 only, but currently it's impossible to implement
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Maybe the strength of the hull is not a very important parameter?
I always did not understand why FAS, FGS, FDS have such a small hull strength.
 

cmdr Ramius007

C
SergMx said:
Maybe the strength of the hull is not a very important parameter?
I always did not understand why FAS, FGS, FDS have such a small hull strength.
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IIt's very, very small issue, I agree, but even this kind of nerf will not be welcomed well by fdl fanbois, frag builds get a bit stronger after latest changes to TC, at least in organic fights, where you not always have control over fight location to procc thermal conduit bonus or not enaugh skill to kill before your modules melt. In pve i think FDL is fine, it's still best medium ship in pure combat performance in right hands, but bad jump range and less friendly flight model make is to no clear cut choice, OTOH power plant and hull hardness nerf would not affect FDL in pve almost completely.
 

DragoonKnight

DragoonKnight
cmdr Ramius007 said:
Just start from reducing FDL hull harndess, easy to do, and it's better than nothing, we could see galnet article, about FLD hulls having construction failure or something, reducing them below Alliance/Fed line of ships. I agree PP should be c5 only, but currently it's impossible to implement
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So bad hull, bad powerplant, bad jump range.... why would anyone fly that nerfed FDL in PvE or PvP then?
Nerfing it to the point where people will sell it and jump into a Mamba is silly. Because after a while it will just get another Buff and we'll be having this conversation all over again.
 
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