I'd still get off with one.
Been with worse, she was called Julie...
...hands like a docker and a grip like a vice.
Is ED nearing the end of its lifespan?
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Been with worse, she was called Julie...
...hands like a docker and a grip like a vice.
Sure that wasn't Lola? 
Is Elite nearing the end of its lifespan? Dunno. Probably not, considering how much work was put into launching Odyssey, and how much more work was put into recovering from the launch's problems. I imagine they at least want things to keep going for a little while, for all that effort. And what's now here after all that effort is honestly pretty good and fairly fun.
Does Elite's fanbase seem to want Elite to reach the end of its lifespan? Weirdly, very much so. I have never seen a fandom want its own game to die as badly as this one. And I think, by the power of our self-reassuring pack negativity, we're gradually succeeding at killing it.
... Well, okay, to be fair, World of Warcraft's fandom probably gives Elite's a run for its money on hating its own game.
Does Elite's fanbase seem to want Elite to reach the end of its lifespan? Weirdly, very much so. I have never seen a fandom want its own game to die as badly as this one. And I think, by the power of our self-reassuring pack negativity, we're gradually succeeding at killing it.
... Well, okay, to be fair, World of Warcraft's fandom probably gives Elite's a run for its money on hating its own game.
See, this is a prime example of what I dislike about this forum. Assuming you're capable of better thinking than in terms of just black and white I'll try an explain why I would have thought would be painfully obvious.
David Braben (you know of him, right)are a recent post highlighting that the best possible future for Elite. Now, we have seen quite a number of doom threads and given that they're usually nonsense, yes, taking them at face value would be ridiculous, which should be obvious. However I'd suggest the quantity of them is justification that Frontier's CEO has made the right decision for the game since there will be far more players wondering if this is it.
I seriously doubt it is, but it's no surprise Frontier want to get on with it.
Or are you saying that they're wrong and should just carry on bug fixing until it is time to pull the plug?
Evidence:
Just launched the game, apparently it's still not dead, despite people claiming it would be since 8 years.
How, exactly?
I'd imagine that FDev keeps an eye on the forum but doesn't take it very seriously (to be fair who does?).. Sometimes you see a dev or CM respond to something, and sometimes they seem to listen to the outrage about some new feature and change it slightly (not always for the better). I really can't believe that people dishing it here would have very much impact on the decisions...
Agreed on how they watch the forums. But pack negativity has a knock-on effect on how well something sells. And the (deserved) negative response to the botched launch has been being sustained well beyond anything that would've been useful. At this point, Odyssey is a generally pretty good game, but people still talk about it like it personally insulted them. Most of the coverage of Elite is people like OA or Yamicks finding the worst possible buzzword topics to beat the game up about, and then large numbers of players regurgitating those opinions anywhere they'll be listened to.
End result is that people assume the game is trash, don't buy it, the budget for the game drops because it makes less money, and that ends in less resources to make the game better. Which fosters more negativity, and the cycle continues.
And it's a shame, because the game we have (yes, the one we have right now, not one of yesteryear or one somebody made up in their head) is actually pretty good.
If it was a thing it was a thing done by the accountants for the financial reports. Accountants have to estimate a lifespan, with management, and 10yrs sounds about right. That doesn't mean management intends for the game to be shut down in that time, but it's a "likely" time period to depreciate the asset for their financials. You're absolutely right though, it is taken out of context and misrepresented.
I like it, I wish it would run better on foot on my potato!
I really think that the ball is in FDev's court and it's getting time for them to pull out the proverbial thumb..
IMO it's their responsibility to curate the game, and so far they haven't been all that successful at it.. But it's not new, there have been botched releases in the past, communication blackouts, etc. Still in the end they have delivered and I wish that they would bring EDO to the same quality as EDH is at the moment.
I think if they make a better release, get the storyline moving, maybe adding thargoid on foot combat, then the mode here would be very different..
In the absence of communication, people will speculate. If FD wants to end speculation, then communicate the plans. They've referenced reallocation of or limitations on resources several times recently. We know FD has other games they are developing. And so without clarity from them one can assume that ED is no longer their top priority and they are moving resources elsewhere. To me it means the best days of the game are past and we're unlikely to see another expansion that changes the game as fundamentally as Odyssey did. But I'd be happy for FD to come on here and set the record straight with an informative post about this year's content plans and a 2-3 year high level roadmap.
All the negative reviews on Steam are from people who DID buy it. You can't leave a review otherwise. BTW, I formed my own opinion as much by watching people who love Odyssey as watching those who don't.
Frontier should have made the game better before putting it on the market. People tend not to react well to being sold broken merchandise.
Wait, you just said that Frontier doesn't have the resources it needs to make the game better (because of bad people refusing to buy Odyssey as-is), but now you say it's pretty good. Which is it? Also, who gave you the final say whether the DLC is good or bad?
This narrative that masses of brainwashed people, under the control of the evil Obsidian Ant, are the downfall of the righteous company Frontier, because they refuse to buy great DLC Odyssey (is that like treason?) is really silly.
~ signed, faithful minion of Lord Obsidian Ant
Bolds of you to assume David Braben lurks on the forum to begin with.
If the CEO of a company which is traded and with something around 300 employees put his product on the line depending on the whim of random forum user, he seriously need to reconsider his job and responsibilities. Like, seriously.
Also, yes, stopping development of the game on one platform is going to p*** said platform users. With literally no way to transfer anything as of know (working on it, outcome undecided). I know, it's mind blowing, why can't the peasants be happy ?
I'm also sure Elite forum are the only one with "doom" thread. Let's see. Of the games I played recently :
-Warframe is dead since it's inception. Now to be fair, I didn't expect them to survive the initial launch, but they did and remarkably turned the game around. Railjack was the end, lich to, and before that open worlds.
-NMS, well, do I really have to say ? The horse is so dead you can't even beat it anymore
-Lords of the Rings online, totally dead. We have doom thread on the regular. Since release BTW.
Side note, Cyberpunk. Oh boy does that game is dead to. CDprojekt have to post regularly to say they plan on continuing development on it, considering the amount of people claim it's dead despite major patches every few months.
So are you saying David Braben didn't make a recent post about the future of the game? Are you actually reading what you're writing?
Making a post =/= lurking on the forum or even reading the comment.
What does that have to do with anything I've said?
Who said the servers had been shut down?Evidence:
Just launched the game, apparently it's still not dead, despite people claiming it would be since 8 years.
A møøse bit my sister once... possibly the best credits in cinema history!
In mechanics it still hasn't been beaten, only in graphics and sound (IMHO).
Actually, 2 questions as I'm really not sure what kind of point you're trying to make to me.
Why do you think that not moving on with story/content at all would not be a bad thing?
Why do you think that Frontier are wrong in making the decisions they have?
If you can't answer those I'm going to assume you didn't understand what I was talking about in the first place.
I'm all for the story going forward.
I'm just wondering what kind of MASSIVE story stuff need to cut on consoles development, VR and major bugfixing.
Not even the Thargoids invasion needed so much development focus.
Who said I think so ? They have their own metrics and datas and goals I'm not privy on. Fdev is a company. If they think ED has no purpose anymore and shut it down, they will not be wrong (probably), but a lot of people including myself will be disappointed.
When they say they can't handle consoles or bug fixing, they have their reasons to. And I'm not privy to those either. Once again, I'm disappointed, but can't say if they are wrong.
Because, yes, company CEO make their decisions on a whole lot of datas and stuff other than "people were mean on the post I did on the forum".
As a reminder :
Even though in the case of Fdev, there are been some debatable design choices over the year and some debate about how they may have been able to prevent ending up in a situation forcing them to take those hard decisions.