Good video by OA, it hits the nail on its head. I guess FD hasn't something to present, or they don't trust their own work, so they aren't willing to show what's in the pipe for the future. It's really sad. Maybe they are planning to let ED die in silence. That would be the worst case.
ObsidianAnt: Frontier - What The HECK Is Going On With Elite Dangerous?
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Thanks I’m good. Ghosting in here as an retired pilot.
Thats the most perfect reply i've received in a long time. That was a great read, thank you.
Hey, its my job.
After all of these posts to a single video from OA. I think the entire problem is still the "Frontier Dev"-communication way.
Of course, there's just one exception, the kickstarter. I can't find logic that would imply that the content frontier themselves added to the page, which is still up, should not be taken / was not set as an expectation.
MMO fanboys in the distant past argued that gambling boxes were not gambling because in some countries, to be legally classed as gambling requires financial output. Yet they are plainly gambling.
Just because frontier used the words "we wish" or similar, the fact that these are still pasted on a kickstarter page for a video game allows them to be treated as expectation if a person wants to.
Yes, for sure. Frontier were just doing the kickstarter to judge preorders. But im sure people on the others side of it were looking at frontiers offering as a kickstarter offering, not just frontiers marketing sample run. I think players / customers get the right of way here. Especially because that's not what kickstarters should have been used for.
What were frontier doing though? If they were selling something direct, there would be no gamble.. yet backers are gambling? Both of those can't exist at the same time. So frontier were either selling "chance" hopes and should lose respect, or they are rightly expected to deliver.
Obviously.Hey, its my job.
After all of these posts to a single video from OA. I think the entire problem is still the "Frontier Dev"-communication way.
The Lead Community Manager wasn't online since 1 month.
Nothing against Arthur, I think he is a pretty cool guy. But obviously the forums aren't a priority to them.
People are waiting for the next weekly update. I absolutely do understand that there was a holiday and that they aren't always posted on the first day of the week, but they could just tell us if it's coming later. Waiting for the weekly update thing is already bad enough anyway because it doesn't have any news about the game...
I've never seen this as a problem here. I think that concept is pulled in for arguments when there's nothing possible to attack someone with than a spam generator in dd. Just my observation tho.
Yeah me too. I just preordered a ps5 today. Finally the house will get its 2070. Shame that one.
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So you want to turn this into a LEP discussion after all?
All those additional elements in Braben vision, over and beyond the base game, were often caveated with very specific conditions, chief among which were that they would be part of separate paid for products; which in turn would be dependant on FDEV´s sole discretion about the viability of the franchise. But we have discussed this point many times over.
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So you want to turn this into a LEP discussion after all?
Thanks for a good link to newsletter 29. A classic reference.
I see the text you referenced, good point, but they also used the words "our current roadmap is to add (in no particular order):". As far as tenuous statements can go, if its valid to cancel everything as optional, its also valid to see that they have committed to the famous list, as implied for the sale. I guess if you wanted to get technical the disclaimer that it could be dropped at any minute takes precedence, sure
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Its all right Banana's_Are_Good_For_You.
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I dont see is as "tenuous" though, it is normal business sense. You continue investing and developing a line of products that works out well, until it does not
. It is just natural that FDEV also stated as much explicitly.I dont see is as "tenuous" though, it is normal business sense. You continue investing and developing a line of products that works out well, until it does not
Yes absolutely, from frontiers perspective everything done that we can see has been perfectly rational (if you fill in the blanks with assumptions etc).
Even though thats the case, the issue is looking down on fellow forum goers for having expectations, and i personally don't think that's a valid thing to expect, given the above reasons.
But if the weekly update doesn’t come out how will everyone know that there’s goodies to be had by watching a stream on Thursday, where only about a third of the stream will be about how to collect said goodies?
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No, no, dont get me wrong. I fully understand fellow forum goers having expectations. I do have them too, would love to see gas giant atmospheres for example etc. I will indeed be disappointed if they do not happen but I do not think we can reasonably argue from an entitled "guaranteed" point of view about those things. And we should not forget FDEV has delivered already quite a lot of those original visions anyways.
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You are being facetious, I presume? Is not it a common theme by some (are you innocent of such?) that 'promises were made' and that discontent and angst follow...
Well done! I missed the window to get mine direct from Sony, I was shopping / walking the dog when the invitation email came.
Yeah... I bought a 2080 Super a couple of years ago, now on a 6900XT, have to move with the times, after all. (I play quite a few games, in 4K or VR, so upgrade regularly)
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This^. Well explained. As a long term player, the points are as clear as day.First, let me get this out of the way....
Ok, now serious.
He makes a LOT of excellent points, mainly about communication (are you listening, FD? - lots of good examples of good communication).
He also pointed out the fact that FD seems to be (almost) dead in the water, as far as direction goes. I could tell by the inflection in his voice that he's getting a tad frustrated by a lack of direction AND communication.
I know there are so many doom threads here already that a number of players seem to feel the same way. We got Horizons (and later, Beyond) but it didn't seem to go anywhere - Guardians and Thargoids but you can choose to ignore one or both of them, and that means it makes no real impact on players.
Example: Morrowind. Anyone remember that game? I do. Played it three times. Here was the big thing: There were areas your level 1 or 2 character DID NOT GO. Reason: there were things there that would eat your character alive. We needed that sort of thing here. All those "permit locked" areas - what's there? Should be something deadly. Go there only if you dare (I'm looking at you, COL 70 Sector...). For ED? Nothing. Go to the Pleiades? Sure. Hyperdiced? Just don't carry anything of value and they leave you alone.
ED has SO much potential. I seriously thought that when FD started to concentrate on Planet Zoo and Jurasic World that they were using them as practice for creatures in ED (just throw a different skin on some of those animals and you have MONSTERS). Instead? Nothing.
They gave us both .1 atmosphere landings AND legs. And now 11.1 patches to fix everything that broke when they did it. My personal opinion is that someone bit off more than they could chew and should have just done one or the other first. Legs could have been a separate DLC. I know a lot of us would have gotten it anyway, but legs should have been worked on by itself.
OA has been one of the biggest fanboi of ED that I know of. He tries to be as diplomatic as possible about his opinions. I don't falt him for the frustration that is leaking out of his channel because I know a lot of us have that same frustration with FD. He doesn't want it to fail. I don't want it to fail either. I like flying a spaceship anywhere in the Milky Way. I hope that FD watches his video, maybe picks up on a few (or ALL) of the points OA made and strives to do better.
Don't shoot the messenger. Just my 2¢.
My thoughts exactly. His comments were directed at FD, not at ED, and rightly so.
Well, getting back to OA's video...
The point it simple: Praising FDev or Elite does not sell. Nope. Not at all.
Even Buur Pit (i really love Buur's and Rheeney channel and there is at least another channel that i watch from time to time) got roasted for not being critical enough to FDev.
Like it's a god dam sin to enjoy the game.
Sure, after 7-8 years i get it that some people might grow unhappy with the game.
In which case they should move to other games.
And most do that, but the ones that make money out of it dont since well... roasting someone sells...
The point it simple: Praising FDev or Elite does not sell. Nope. Not at all.
Even Buur Pit (i really love Buur's and Rheeney channel and there is at least another channel that i watch from time to time) got roasted for not being critical enough to FDev.
Like it's a god dam sin to enjoy the game.
Sure, after 7-8 years i get it that some people might grow unhappy with the game.
In which case they should move to other games.
And most do that, but the ones that make money out of it dont since well... roasting someone sells...
I'm sure most of us long term players will remember this with excitement, then silence from Frontier. Well, your wait is almost over (5 years ago) https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...or-elite-dangerous-lave-radio-excerpt.330514/
There are a few posters on the forum for whom this appears to be factual, look at the latest "praising the game" thread... The same old names came on, knocking the OPs opinion, then one of said names had the temerity to mention the 'white knights' piling on negative threads.... Irony in the extreme!
As for OA and Buur, they present what they believe their viewers will watch, usually right...
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