Elite Dangerous Livestreams - 28.04.2022

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Nah, and its kinda odd. Most people feel a bit dirty using clickbait but do it anyway because it works. There is no real reason to use it unless it actually works, so no clue why he feels the need to downplay it. He could easily just say:"One day I realized I could earn a bit of money with my channel. At that point I decided to turn myself into a brand, ham up my voice acting and study how to get the most clicks on social media. It seems to work so I am happy my hard work paid off for me.". Perfectly fine.

Maybe there is some advice he found to always pretend to be Your Authentic And Genuine Self™ or something, you know the "I say it like it is" spiel that some people always fall for. :)


It's not the "clickbait" titles I'm downplaying. Just pointing out the flaw in logic. If I was doing this to generate tons of extra views / money - then wouldn't I go full on "clickbait" on all videos? (Not just a handful).
 
And yet you do indeed use clickbait that results in higher view videos for your Elite content thanks to the related drama.
I pointed imo important part with bold text … personally I don’t see there nothing like a drama, in fact it’s imo quite far from it. People being disappointed and/or losing interest are posting more comments, but it’s again not a drama. If I should call something dramatic (examples) then it would be NMS or Cyberpunk 2077 release situation and YouTube videos. Imo much more important as ‘Clickbait naming’ is a simple fact that there are high number of players which still watch OA videos with ED content (means they are still interested to know what’s going on with the game) and it’s no OA fault that these videos are much more popular as official videos which are now even on halt.
 
As someone who prefers to be positive about things I hope all this silence just means you are preparing a reveal or an ingame event of some kind.

But even I can't deny that your current communication strategy is perfectly suited to kill the game. Communication never was that good, but now it's just abysmal. If everyone was in love with the game you could probably get away with it, but half the playerbase considers the latest expansion a flop. Annoying the remaining fans the game still has doesn't sound like the best idea to me.

Frontier said they are aiming to be the most respected publisher in the world. Well it's not my expertise, but I would be surprised if that's how it's done.

I've made too much fun about doom and gloom in the past years so I am not going to be part of it, but from my perspective most people aren't enthused. Well I guess it would make sense to change that?
 
Did not see the latest streams completely live as they startet one or two hours to early for me. Everyone got the twitch drops completed this month?
I really like stellarscreenshots but hope next streams, if they continue, have more information on development, roadmap and upcoming changes.
 
It's not the "clickbait" titles I'm downplaying. Just pointing out the flaw in logic. If I was doing this to generate tons of extra views / money - then wouldn't I go full on "clickbait" on all videos? (Not just a handful).
Errr, no. People use clickbait to generate clicks. You use clickbait. To generate clicks. To agree with the former and not the latter is strange, and its a bit silly to pretend clickbait only serves to generate click if you use it in all videos. Its like alcohol: you can have a few drinks and enjoy its effects even if you didn't drink the entire liquor cabinet, and doing the latter would probably hurt your reputation in the long run.

Not that this is very important, its just interesting that its so seemingly difficult for many youtubers to be honest about it. Its the new version of "Yes I did a photoshoot for Playboy Magazine, but I did it only for the artistic expression."
 
As someone who prefers to be positive about things I hope all this silence just means you are preparing a reveal or an ingame event of some kind.

But even I can't deny that your current communication strategy is perfectly suited to kill the game. Communication never was that good, but now it's just abysmal. If everyone was in love with the game you could probably get away with it, but half the playerbase considers the latest expansion a flop. Annoying the remaining fans the game still has doesn't sound like the best idea to me.

Frontier said they are aiming to be the most respected publisher in the world. Well it's not my expertise, but I would be surprised if that's how it's done.

I've made too much fun about doom and gloom in the past years so I am not going to be part of it, but from my perspective most people aren't enthused. Well I guess it would make sense to change that?
Exactly. There are two reasons for not saying they are preparing for something serious:

1) They aren't.
2) They genuinely think their (lack of) communication is a good example of their 'under promise and over deliver' method they told their shareholders some years ago.

Both options are a bit meh.
 
I think one of the shocks about this year was in the run up to Christmas, the communication had really improved. With the 11 updates and the streams that came with it, a lot of the community though the game had turned a corner, the player numbers were going back up in steam charts and the 'community upsurge' mentioned in the fdev's report was down to the content added (Go Devs! (y)) and the communication effort that came with it (Go CM Team (y)).

However, since Christmas, we've had nothing about the future of the game after update 11 and although there was a welcome return of livestreams, it didn't do anything to reassure the community about the games future, especially after the bad news about consoles (the planet tiling not so much). The lack of no new news has led the community to wildly speculate about the game's future and worse of all there is the realisation that, because there is no Offline mode, that if t fdev decide to pull the plug Elite is gone and you'll never be able to fly your cobra MK III again.
 
Errr, no. People use clickbait to generate clicks. You use clickbait. To generate clicks. To agree with the former and not the latter is strange, and its a bit silly to pretend clickbait only serves to generate click if you use it in all videos. Its like alcohol: you can have a few drinks and enjoy its effects even if you didn't drink the entire liquor cabinet, and doing the latter would probably hurt your reputation in the long run.

Not that this is very important, its just interesting that its so seemingly difficult for many youtubers to be honest about it. Its the new version of "Yes I did a photoshoot for Playboy Magazine, but I did it only for the artistic expression."
The arguement wasn't about clickbait. It was about me addressing criticism that I deliberately set out to create drama to generate views.

The discussion has now changed purely to discussing clickbait. So I'm gonna move on.

😄 Drama and clickbait are not the same. Although I appreciate some people don't see a difference.
 
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The lack of no new news has led the community to wildly speculate about the game's future
It doesn't help that "no news is bad news" seems to be the norm lately. No news for months about consoles ended up resulting in the announcement of the cancellation of consoles. Even this thread, the first couple of pages everyone was debating whether just one livestream or many were cancelled, thanks to the overly terse OP. Come to find out, it was the "bad news" people who were right - all livestreams are canceled until further notice. Now the thread continues to debate if this means bad news for the game itself, and the CMs remain silent. Which of course implies that they cannot update the thread with a simple, "Don't worry folks, this has nothing to do with Elite itself, we're just having camera problems in our livestream studio." Because if that was the case, they would just tell us, right? So is it any wonder people assume the worst?

Disclaimer - I really don't have a dog in this fight, as I not as invested in the game as I once was, and the only livestreams I care about are ones with actual news or developer interviews. I do however find this a fascinating thread, kinda like watching a game of chance. Where will the dice land when it's all said and done?
 
It doesn't help that "no news is bad news" seems to be the norm lately. No news for months about consoles ended up resulting in the announcement of the cancellation of consoles. Even this thread, the first couple of pages everyone was debating whether just one livestream or many were cancelled, thanks to the overly terse OP. Come to find out, it was the "bad news" people who were right - all livestreams are canceled until further notice. Now the thread continues to debate if this means bad news for the game itself, and the CMs remain silent. Which of course implies that they cannot update the thread with a simple, "Don't worry folks, this has nothing to do with Elite itself, we're just having camera problems in our livestream studio." Because if that was the case, they would just tell us, right? So is it any wonder people assume the worst?

Disclaimer - I really don't have a dog in this fight, as I not as invested in the game as I once was, and the only livestreams I care about are ones with actual news or developer interviews. I do however find this a fascinating thread, kinda like watching a game of chance. Where will the dice land when it's all said and done?
No news is good news for people who like bad news.
 
I do however find this a fascinating thread, kinda like watching a game of chance. Where will the dice land when it's all said and done?
Personally the optimist in me is hoping that within a year, they will go: we promised great things and here they are!

On the other hand I have seen this happen before (diablo 3 & Anthem to name a couple), with similar signs of cuts in development, lacking communication, and cuts in community engagement. While big things were being promised.

At this stage I guess it's a hope for the best prepare for the worst kind of scenario. Only time will tell.
 
It's not the "clickbait" titles I'm downplaying. Just pointing out the flaw in logic. If I was doing this to generate tons of extra views / money - then wouldn't I go full on "clickbait" on all videos? (Not just a handful).
Sounds like you need to do a neat trilogy of videos next.
  • "Elite Live Streams Cancelled: BEGINNING OF THE END?!"
  • "You'll Never Believe What Happened To Me On The ED Forum!!!1"
  • "FORUM MELTDOWN PART DEUX: 12 Reasons I Won't Resort To Clickbait Titles!"
 
Fortunately for us as a community, I can tell you that the current Elite CM team care about Elite very, very much. Way more so than most of us realise.

The issue isn't about the CM (they are great), it's not about the devs (they are also good), it's about the policy set by Frontier as a company. That policy is to "not talk" about development.

Now I'm 100% certain Frontier will release news at some point - maybe soon, maybe not so soon. But even if they do release news and updates, that doesn't fully address the problem. It all comes down to whether or not Frontier can consistantly release information and engage with the community over a period of years at a time without going radio silent on a regular basis.

Bottom line: The CM do care (a lot), news will come. Those two things aren't even in question. The question is how long will it be until Frontier go radio silent again, and stop engaging with the community. It's this last part which is doing a lot of harm to the Elite community.
And isn’t just that really? Engaging with the community? I’m new to the gaming community but have been a fan of Elite since 1984 when it helped get me through some difficult childhood times. Here as someone entering his mid-life crisis I’ve been surprised at how negative the forum can be to each other and to Frontier. Can’t help but think of the phrase ’don’t bite the hand that feeds you’ and it seems applicable both ways. Communication works both ways. Effective , cleaver, respectful communication works both ways. I was a solely console player (Xbox) and was very disappointed at how we were treated by Frontier. I thought the customer support and communication was and is appalling, its not been respectful or effective simply in its oblique and closed tone; its not been cleaver either, intelligent communication with your customer base encourages customer loyalty, recommendations and greater revenues, and I expect the CM appreciate that, I do get the impression that they want to communicate more than they are allowed to, but then what is it that the community wants them to communicate? I read so much here about us needing more information about development but really, on a weekly basis? How is that possible? Maybe Fdev need to be a little secretive about plans so as not to leak good and exciting ideas out to a competitor? Does any game out their have 52 exciting new developments a year that need to be shared? Do we, the community need to be drip-fed pre-engineered ‘good news’ in order to be effectively managed? Only they know their reasons behind not meeting what appears to be a demanding clamour from this community for more news. They could be more open and direct in answering concerns about problems, even if the answer is going to be unpopular, but I cannot be surprised that aren’t given the reactions they get. I was angry about console development being dropped but I was totally floored when in a livestream Arthur said the team had reviewed death threats, and then again when OA got such criticism for just calling things out that someone suggested attacking Obsidian Orbital in game. I mean its a game ! And its a game we’re all meant to like and want to see go on.
So having been jilted at the console altar I’ve moved on. II’ve wiped away my tears and I’ve purchased a gaming PC and have been blown away at the improvement in graphics, sound and gameplay compared to my Xbox. Yes I’m having to start all over again but I’m having fun and that surely is the point? I’ve engaged with the forums and while I’ve seen some surprisingly dissapointing and nasty stuff I’ve also been helped by community members, and that’s what I thought it was all about.
If the livestreams were about issuing development news each week then I can understand there would be multiple reasons why that cannot be delivered. If the livestreams were about community engagement then lets engage. We can engage with each other in more ways than demanding more new. We can celebrate what, arguably I know, is still the best spaceship game there is.
 
I think one of the shocks about this year was in the run up to Christmas, the communication had really improved. With the 11 updates and the streams that came with it, a lot of the community though the game had turned a corner, the player numbers were going back up in steam charts and the 'community upsurge' mentioned in the fdev's report was down to the content added (Go Devs! (y)) and the communication effort that came with it (Go CM Team (y)).

Precisely this ☝️

But since Frontier is not a Charity devoted to Elite Fans around the world, by December they drew the line, did the maths and... well... 1.3 millions pounds losses.
So all the crunching and the excellent comms got them exactly what? A deep hole in their income.

Hence the cuts we all experience.

As i said in numerous occasions - i dont really care about the comms or about roadmaps.
But i do care about Elite and i'd like to be able to play it in the next years

They can seal the forums, cut all the live streams, but keep the game running and the story arcs going (galnet, cg, etc) - that would do it for me.
 
I'm gonna
Completely off topic, but since I'm a bit of a linguist, this is fascinating to me. I was convinced that "gonna" was a southern American conflation of "going to." I can't recall ever having seen or heard it outside of that area. Interesting....well....as interesting as this thread has become to most others anyhow. 🤷‍♂️

Oh well, carry on.
 
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