+1 mate, exactly my feelings on this matter to
Elite turning into Eve?
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+1 mate, exactly my feelings on this matter to
One thinking it would be mad, two thinking it might be a coincidence, but three?...
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...Sutin' Gwaahn!
....you would think that a comparison to EvE with any substance to it would be a wonderful thing for a game or community thats in its infancy. Given EvE's prestige, having earned its rank as the #1 Space game of all time.
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Really its just a name drop. There is no comparison; not to the game nor the community.
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I can appreciate the sentiment of the thread, as someone who picked this game up on a recommendation. My opinions and caveats are probably not the popular ones.
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While the bias of a post is noticable to anyone whom the bias is not possessed it is much harder to recognize the bias ever present in ones own opinions, mine being a reactive devaluation of this thread because of a name drop. It is important to keep this in mind.
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Also; we are hypocrites. Possibly stupid. Our own jury, yes, but still possibly.
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Really its just a name drop. There is no comparison; not to the game nor the community.
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I can appreciate the sentiment of the thread, as someone who picked this game up on a recommendation. My opinions and caveats are probably not the popular ones.
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While the bias of a post is noticable to anyone whom the bias is not possessed it is much harder to recognize the bias ever present in ones own opinions, mine being a reactive devaluation of this thread because of a name drop. It is important to keep this in mind.
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Also; we are hypocrites. Possibly stupid. Our own jury, yes, but still possibly.
That isn't an attack. Posting a different opinion from someone else is not a bad thing. And remember (you point this out yourself) that what you may call constructive criticism may not actually be that in the minds of others.
What it boils down to is that you seem to dislike it when people post different opinions from the ones you like. People should do this more.
If you want an echo chamber, there are some other forums I could suggest that may suit your needs more.
Spectre Alpha
Banned
yes, I have seen this as well and it makes me start to hate the game because of a few bad apples. The game has potential, it has not come close to reaching that potential but it remains there. The players that use the term 'carebear' as an insult are a case in point, they believe that showing compassion is a bad thing in a society. They think that wanting to help others at the expense of your own rapid steamrolling to success is something that should be avoided. I have raised my children to hold compassion, kindness and selflessness in high regard. These ideals are truly a life's goal worth working very hard to achieve by resisting the temptation to succeed at any cost no matter how badly it destroys the very fabric of the civilization you are trying to live in.
I hope that these players are quickly banned from the game so that it can be a world that we can all be proud to have a hand in creating.
I hope that these players are quickly banned from the game so that it can be a world that we can all be proud to have a hand in creating.
This is a perfect example of what i'm talking about. "These people don't think like I do, they should be banned".
Which is especially funny considering his talk of compassion.
I think one thing I do find annoying is this idea that many EvE players have (Remember I am one myself) that EvE is the greatest thing ever, is the no 1 space game of all time (all time includes the future really) and anything it does is what we should do too, including emulating that toxic community.
Definitely the wrong way to start any thread is In EvE...
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Yeah, I'd hope most the smack talk stays in RP. Though being a complete neophyte when it comes to Eve, I'm not clear on what kind of smack talk we are speaking of...is it just OORP shaming and boasting?
Any... take your pick lol.
I had my fair share of smack talking when I used to play Eve many many years ago.
Those days are long gone. Got older and wiser etc.
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If there's anyone here that's not constructive, it's you when you point fingers and say the EvE community is evil and toxic. I've been in eve since 2004, and been part of everything from minin corps, C6 WH operations with multi-pos setups, PVE corps and a lot more, I've also been active on the forums whenever I could, and the negativity and "brat" behaviour you speak about is minimal. This is just you seeing a bad behaviour development and need something to blame.
I agree that people should be constructive, as that's in my nature too, both in private and at my work (I'm an officer at offshore vessels in the north sea) but don't point fingers for no reason, that's just stupid
¨~ Chris
I agree that people should be constructive, as that's in my nature too, both in private and at my work (I'm an officer at offshore vessels in the north sea) but don't point fingers for no reason, that's just stupid
¨~ Chris
The thing is - the Eve community is more than welcome to enjoy their Eve community.
Elite is not Eve - and some of their in-game and on-forum mechanics simply will not work here, but they will continue to attempt to do so because it's what they do!
All the push for corps, owned assets, enforced play environments, mining beams, squad play etc, it appears all the time. The people clamouring for such things only do so because it's what they have in their existing games - and they insist upon getting it here - so as a community they are attempting to get it.
Elite is not Eve - and some of their in-game and on-forum mechanics simply will not work here, but they will continue to attempt to do so because it's what they do!
All the push for corps, owned assets, enforced play environments, mining beams, squad play etc, it appears all the time. The people clamouring for such things only do so because it's what they have in their existing games - and they insist upon getting it here - so as a community they are attempting to get it.
Spectre Alpha
Banned
Nice thought there. I am glad it isn't the one I expressed. I was just saying the people that would be jailed in real life for their anti-social behavior should be virtually jailed in the game and removed from society, it's what societies do to survive.
And if you say mining is NOT fun you are "you, 1, a minority" also.
So we can never get any objective valuation of a certain aspect, since we are all minorities. Huh?!
Then we have to wait what the Developers think it is a good game and if we don't like it we don't play it
but we can not complain about it since we are all minorities.
I don't get your position!
im an ex eve player of 8 years (avid pvper) and i have jacked that all in for elite dangerous (the true home of twitch space combat), this is where it all started! elite pioneered the space genre, CCP took ideas from elite, freelancer, homeworld etc to build eve online, and its community with lack of rules etc has turned the game into something i do not care for anymore........but the elite community? i have found this community to be very very different from the eve community, even though there are many ex and current eve online players in elite, less metagame more classic pew?
of course you will always have toxic people within any community, but so far it seems to me that this community is one that cares alot more about itself than the 'CBA' attitude or troll/flamewars of the eve online community, and i think this has alot to do with the metagaming in eve online and lack of meta in elite.....and that is no way a bad thing, of course there are metagaming aspects to elite, but not as deep or certainly as player driven as eve online.
in my time playing elite i have found only a handful of arrogant and idiotic types, on the whole most people are pleasant and decent people......
of course you will always have toxic people within any community, but so far it seems to me that this community is one that cares alot more about itself than the 'CBA' attitude or troll/flamewars of the eve online community, and i think this has alot to do with the metagaming in eve online and lack of meta in elite.....and that is no way a bad thing, of course there are metagaming aspects to elite, but not as deep or certainly as player driven as eve online.
in my time playing elite i have found only a handful of arrogant and idiotic types, on the whole most people are pleasant and decent people......
im an ex eve player of 8 years (avid pvper) and i have jacked that all in for elite dangerous (the true home of twitch space combat), this is where it all started! elite pioneered the space genre, CCP took ideas from elite, freelancer, homeworld etc to build eve online, and its community with lack of rules etc has turned the game into something i do not care for anymore........but the elite community? i have found this community to be very very different from the eve community, even though there are many ex and current eve online players in elite, less metagame more classic pew?
of course you will always have toxic people within any community, but so far it seems to me that this community is one that cares alot more about itself than the 'CBA' attitude or troll/flamewars of the eve online community, and i think this has alot to do with the metagaming in eve online and lack of meta in elite.....and that is no way a bad thing, of course there are metagaming aspects to elite, but not as deep or certainly as player driven as eve online.
in my time playing elite i have found only a handful of arrogant and idiotic types, on the whole most people are pleasant and decent people......
i would also like to add before any one points any fingers, there eve community is most certainly not all full of bad people, but it does seem that the toxic parts of the community have the loudest voice, and while not limited to forums, most of the problems arise from immature conversations, comments and situation in no security (null sec space/0.0) with eve there are definately different 'social ecosystems' between high sec, low sec, pirate npc 0.0 and true 0.0 space, also including 'career subgroups' such as dedicated carebears, suicide gankers, mercs etc etc, regardless these are not my reasons for turning my back on a game i used to love......those are different issues, and more directed towards the general direction of the game in recent years aswell as a few other issues with the game itself
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