Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

Haters. Ice-cubes are translucent. These are sugarcubes or something different, like explosives. It'd also be a hefty occupational hazard to allow explosives to just slip right out a glass and under the rug. The user also demonstrated reckless carlessness firing some sort of energy beam through the explosive which can easily excite the mixture to combustion.
 
I think the key word here is "meaningful". I don't count bed sheet deformation as meaningful, I would count the introduction of second star system meaningful.
I also don't count bed sheet as "meaningful" (and it's not for SC).
But refueling, loot system, first implementation of Gen12 renderer (with really good results), less 30k, less gamebreaking bugs, huge improvement on desynch, addition of new missions, addition of river tech, save state, etc are not meaningful for you ?
 
What's in a Bloody Roberts?

Trick question - you order it but you never get it! 🍸

The brochure tells you it's made from special new custom ingredients like dihydrogen oxide and C2H5OH, but it tastes like every other drink you've had. The only difference is that the drink is clipping through the bottom of the glass
 
I also don't count bed sheet as "meaningful" (and it's not for SC).

Ain't that the truth...

But refueling, loot system, first implementation of Gen12 renderer (with really good results), less 30k, less gamebreaking bugs, huge improvement on desynch, addition of new missions, addition of river tech, save state, etc are not meaningful for you ?

I thought about pointing out the meaningful issues with each of the above. But it's a lot quicker to just go...


(Fun addendum: He initially started losing his rag because the corpse had stolen the gun back off him ;))
 
I also don't count bed sheet as "meaningful" (and it's not for SC).
But refueling, loot system, first implementation of Gen12 renderer (with really good results), less 30k, less gamebreaking bugs, huge improvement on desynch, addition of new missions, addition of river tech, save state, etc are not meaningful for you ?

Nope, no they aren't particularly meaningful, most of that's just background bug fixing and optimisation, the same thing we just got in update 12 that a lot of players are complaining about because we got nothing new. Refueling? Nope, it has little meaning because it has essentially no purpose in game. Loot system? That's basic game stuff, that shouldn't be meaningful in any way and pushing it as a meaningful update is stretching it a lot. Gen 12 renderer? Background work that players should only see as improvement in performance, not as a major game feature.

As I said, a meaningful update for players would be say adding a second system, all the rest is just Alpha smoke and mirrors disguising the fact that there aren't actually any meaningful updates. If FDEV rolled out a claimed "meaningful" update for ED and all we got was the above few things there would be an uproar in the forums!
 
FDEV rolled out a claimed "meaningful" update for ED and all we got was the above few things there would be an uproar in the forums!
For sure, if FDEV claimed that the framerate will be improved by 50 to 100% for EDO in the next patch, there would be an uproar in the forums 🤔 Absolutely not meaningful...
 
Revenues are increasing because ship sale events are more frequent and whales are buying more ships and jpegs.
Funding is exploding because each guy spending money in SC spend 60% more money than last year ?
So the average income of all whales has improved by 60% since last year ? That's your real explanation ?
 
So keep wondering why the funding is skyrocketing... because that's the reason why.

No that's not the reason funding keeps rising. You think funding would keep rising if they did nothing else but what they are doing in game? You don't think funding rising is due to all the advertising and events they are pushing? All the social media, all the dedicated fans posting here, there and everywhere? They wouldn't be doing that if it wasn't connected to the income stream, companies could, and some do literally make millions with zero products, it's called fraud in the end once they get caught out.

For instance Theranos;

In March 2018 the US Securities and Exchange Commission charged Theranos, its CEO Elizabeth Holmes and former president Ramesh "Sunny" Balwani, claiming they had engaged in an "elaborate, years-long fraud" wherein they "deceived investors into believing that its key product – a portable blood analyzer – could conduct comprehensive blood tests from finger drops of blood".[99][100] Holmes reached a settlement with the SEC which required her to pay $500,000, forfeit 19 million shares of company stock, and be barred from having a leadership position in any public company for ten years.[101] Balwani did not settle with the SEC.[102]

On June 15, 2018, Holmes and Balwani were indicted on multiple counts of wire fraud and conspiracy to commit wire fraud. According to the indictment, investors, doctors and patients were defrauded. It is alleged the defendants were aware of the unreliability and inaccuracy of their products, but concealed that information.

They attracted hundreds of millions in investment funds and in the end because there were laws that actually apply in that area, they were taken to court and shut down, this is the power of media and advertising, nothing more. CIG, if they did nothing but relied on the in game results of development to drive income, would have gone broke long ago, it's the millions they invest in advertising that drives the income stream and nothing else! The same applies to any company, you can make the best game in the world, but if you don't advertise it widely and get the word out through social media, gaming sites and everything else you can do it will just crash and burn, because advertising drives income. Basically the more money they spend on promotion, the more income they get, this is why the number of events has increased this year and the reason why funding is higher this year, because they are spending more money to push the Alpha.
 
Funding is exploding because each guy spending money in SC spend 60% more money than last year ?
So the average income of all whales has improved by 60% since last year ? That's your real explanation ?
That seems to be your explanation, as you wrote it, not I.
 
For sure, if FDEV claimed that the framerate will be improved by 50 to 100% for EDO in the next patch, there would be an uproar in the forums 🤔 Absolutely not meaningful...

What? What are you on about? No that's not a meaningful update, arguably it's where EDO should have been on release, so it would be optimising and efficiency updates, which is exactly what patch 12 and 13 have been stated to be, no that's certainly not a meaningful update. If CIG said the next patch would improve frame rates by 50% to 100% people would say, "what took them so long, now I can play at 60fps finally" lol.

Your idea of meaningful has obviously been highly distorted by the almost feature free updates that CIG put out so that anything minor sounds enormous.
 
Nope, no they aren't particularly meaningful, most of that's just background bug fixing and optimisation, the same thing we just got in update 12 that a lot of players are complaining about because we got nothing new. Refueling? Nope, it has little meaning because it has essentially no purpose in game. Loot system? That's basic game stuff, that shouldn't be meaningful in any way and pushing it as a meaningful update is stretching it a lot. Gen 12 renderer? Background work that players should only see as improvement in performance, not as a major game feature.

As I said, a meaningful update for players would be say adding a second system, all the rest is just Alpha smoke and mirrors disguising the fact that there aren't actually any meaningful updates. If FDEV rolled out a claimed "meaningful" update for ED and all we got was the above few things there would be an uproar in the forums!

To be fair to @LittleAnt these things, little or not do add to the overall experience and are steps, all be it baby steps to making it a more complete game.

But like you the thing that i'm looking forward to is more star systems, and homesteads, base building, like rust in space, there is something about choosing a location and then building your home there that's very appealing to me.
 
I would actually like to see some external data that connects the year on increase in what CIG claim as "funding" vs engagement.

Everything available points to a decline in: Twitch views, reddit subscribers, Google searches, YouTube stats etc

All we know is CIG say it's more popular than ever and people are apparantly putting in more cash vs the Kickstarter campaign and subsequent years despite no promotion from Chris Roberts other than a few paragraphs and a video of him talking about where he'd like to live.

If the money is coming from players there should be some external data that corrosponds to that, most games have a wealth of stats available from various platforms. Not very open really.
 
I would actually like to see some external data that connects the year on increase in what CIG claim as "funding" vs engagement.

Everything available points to a decline in: Twitch views, reddit subscribers, Google searches, YouTube stats etc

All we know is CIG say it's more popular than ever and people are apparantly putting in more cash vs the Kickstarter campaign and subsequent years despite no promotion from Chris Roberts other than a few paragraphs and a video of him talking about where he'd like to live.

If the money is coming from players there should be some external data that corrosponds to that, most games have a wealth of stats available from various platforms. Not very open really.
There was this post on player stats
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/usmf3g/chris_gave_us_updated_playerbase_and_backer_stats/
 
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