Next pack will be an animal pack for sure, so if @KönigDerKaffeebohnen's hunch is right we'll probably get a few highly requested animals, including the porcupine, baboon, and addax.
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Since so many unpopular animals were included in the wetlands pack I think that Striped hyena could find it’s well deserved space in desert/Middle East animal pack.
Also Barbary Striped hyena is considered endangered and for me is one of the most iconic desert species.
My desert/Middle East animal pack would look like this:
Dromedary - highly requested camelid easy reskin
Porcupine - new model based on beaver and can use burrows
Caracal - another smaller cat
Addax - iconic endangered antelope
Striped hyena - iconic desert carnivore
Baboon - very unique desert monkey
Somali wild ass - first donkey also endangered
Also Barbary Striped hyena is considered endangered and for me is one of the most iconic desert species.
My desert/Middle East animal pack would look like this:
Dromedary - highly requested camelid easy reskin
Porcupine - new model based on beaver and can use burrows
Caracal - another smaller cat
Addax - iconic endangered antelope
Striped hyena - iconic desert carnivore
Baboon - very unique desert monkey
Somali wild ass - first donkey also endangered
I like that pack if we go with a Middle East focus animal pack although i would change the wild ass for the honey badger or a tortoise (i know they are not very popular), BUT if we want a general desert pack i would swap some of the animals for the collared peccary, the rhea and the patagonian mara or the perentie.
This would be a nice pack and I would like to. have all of this animals but I would call it Middle East pack as it only consits of species from this region. A general desert pack should be more widespread in regions. And the striped hyeana is not an unpopular animal in the list. I would call it middle popular. It is even one vote ahead from the collared peccary in the list.
I feel like we need more european animals and north american animals. Even wit hthe DLC's. Go to the zoopedia and filter the continents and compare them to the lists of animals in asia and africa
I’d like more animals across the board but NA and, especially, Europe are well represented compared to SA and Oceania, especially in comparison with the regions’ biodiversity.I feel like we need more european animals and north american animals. Even wit hthe DLC's. Go to the zoopedia and filter the continents and compare them to the lists of animals in asia and africa
Really North American River Otters, Caribou, Bighorn Sheep, and Elk are the big ones missing in NA. Europe seems fine but maybe a Eurasian pack?
The reindeer already covers the caribou - it's the generic species, not a subspecies.
The others aren't really that important. We have the Dall sheep, and three deer species, and the most common river otter in captivity (Asian small-clawed). Of course, I'm bias as North America has very little to offer me in terms of gameplay.
Imo, fixing up NA and Europe can be easily dond with adding just 4-9 animals that fit well in more general packs.
For NA, the biggest sour spot is the south, making the collared peccary with its range also down to south america a great option, especally for a desert pack.
The next is the lack of any climbing or aboreal animals, where introducing the racoon would do wonders, especally as its one of the most common Zoo animals world wide.
After that, a bird like a Sandhill Crane or Turkey would be nice, but isnt as needed to make the continent feel on par with the others, as sadly none have enough birds.
For Europe, their are 2 Unarguable inclusions that still need to happen.
The Wild boar and Red Fox.
Both have gigantic ranges across all of Eurasia and the Red fox also in NA, both would compliment the existing members of their familys really well and they are also omni present in smaller Eurasian Zoos.
If they are in the game i would still like more europe, but would also be totally fine with no more.
A great addition thats also in the Top 10 of the meta wishlist is the Wolverine, pretty much completing europes skandinavia focus while also offering something for NA.
After those 6, their are 4 more animals that would greatly add to europe and the game, but arnt what i would count as completly neccessary, just really really nice to have.
First we got the red deer, it was often argued for it on the forums as its a bit mire controversial, but the baseline is that its very common in Eurasian Zoos, is culturally important, visually distinct, has very unique and impressive roars and would greatly differ from the petting zoo fallow deer we got (which is not a front, for a long time it was my most wanted animal and im glad its here).
A marten has basicly the same reasoning as the Racoon, but they are much more rare in zoo in comparison, still decently common on their own, but i would be okay with their exclusion if we get the racoon. Btw Team Beech Marten
A european bird would be great, from the generic mallard duck, over the mute swan, white stork and common pheasent to the western capercaillie, it would be amazing to have atleast one of them represented and imo the only fault of the european pack, no matter how much i like its animal roster, was to not include one of these birds. If they dropped the badger for a white stork or mute swan, i would have been estatic.
Lastly, another controversial one, the Eurasian otter.
Its the most wide spread otter, covering all if the biomes in game, being present on 3 continents and would add an all weather but mostly cold weather and solidary otter compared to ours in game, which are both tropical and social.
They also perfectly fit into the size gap between + their solidary nature would make the perfect for smaller habitats.
Also let me quickly show you something
(Server doesnt let me upload the picture right now, but it shows its massive range from the norway fijords, over the deserts of the middle east to the tropical rainforrests of sumatra)
So yeah, thats my take on the whole europe and na discussion, and atleast imo my points for which animals still should be included in for example a temperate animal pack.
But as it stands right now, NA and especally both europe arnt "finished" until their last gapping holes in representation (mostly birds, racoon, wild boar and red fox) are filled. Until those animals are in the game, i wouldnt say NA has great or that Europe even has good representation, in school grades current na has 12/15 points and europe 8/15.
For NA, the biggest sour spot is the south, making the collared peccary with its range also down to south america a great option, especally for a desert pack.
The next is the lack of any climbing or aboreal animals, where introducing the racoon would do wonders, especally as its one of the most common Zoo animals world wide.
After that, a bird like a Sandhill Crane or Turkey would be nice, but isnt as needed to make the continent feel on par with the others, as sadly none have enough birds.
For Europe, their are 2 Unarguable inclusions that still need to happen.
The Wild boar and Red Fox.
Both have gigantic ranges across all of Eurasia and the Red fox also in NA, both would compliment the existing members of their familys really well and they are also omni present in smaller Eurasian Zoos.
If they are in the game i would still like more europe, but would also be totally fine with no more.
A great addition thats also in the Top 10 of the meta wishlist is the Wolverine, pretty much completing europes skandinavia focus while also offering something for NA.
After those 6, their are 4 more animals that would greatly add to europe and the game, but arnt what i would count as completly neccessary, just really really nice to have.
First we got the red deer, it was often argued for it on the forums as its a bit mire controversial, but the baseline is that its very common in Eurasian Zoos, is culturally important, visually distinct, has very unique and impressive roars and would greatly differ from the petting zoo fallow deer we got (which is not a front, for a long time it was my most wanted animal and im glad its here).
A marten has basicly the same reasoning as the Racoon, but they are much more rare in zoo in comparison, still decently common on their own, but i would be okay with their exclusion if we get the racoon. Btw Team Beech Marten
A european bird would be great, from the generic mallard duck, over the mute swan, white stork and common pheasent to the western capercaillie, it would be amazing to have atleast one of them represented and imo the only fault of the european pack, no matter how much i like its animal roster, was to not include one of these birds. If they dropped the badger for a white stork or mute swan, i would have been estatic.
Lastly, another controversial one, the Eurasian otter.
Its the most wide spread otter, covering all if the biomes in game, being present on 3 continents and would add an all weather but mostly cold weather and solidary otter compared to ours in game, which are both tropical and social.
They also perfectly fit into the size gap between + their solidary nature would make the perfect for smaller habitats.
Also let me quickly show you something
(Server doesnt let me upload the picture right now, but it shows its massive range from the norway fijords, over the deserts of the middle east to the tropical rainforrests of sumatra)
So yeah, thats my take on the whole europe and na discussion, and atleast imo my points for which animals still should be included in for example a temperate animal pack.
But as it stands right now, NA and especally both europe arnt "finished" until their last gapping holes in representation (mostly birds, racoon, wild boar and red fox) are filled. Until those animals are in the game, i wouldnt say NA has great or that Europe even has good representation, in school grades current na has 12/15 points and europe 8/15.
The way I see it, no continent can really be considered finished, as all of them are missing some iconic species, yes even Africa and Asia, but we really cannot "finish" them anyway in the game lifespan, there will always be species missing. But I think it is fair to say North America has a really good representation (not complete ofc) compared to Oceania and South America. I am not saying I dont want more species from other continents, but those two could really use a boost. From NA, we got most of the big hitters, I feel what we are missing are smaller "filler animals" from there, but other continents still missing the big hitters are a priority for me.
It is true that Oceanic species are rare outside of the continent, but more and more zoos are including them, not to mention we are still missing the most common ones, emu, wallabies and a species too iconic to the conservation, the Tasmanian Devil. For South America, I belive SA species are quite well represented in zoos? Or at least from what I have seen in Europe, but we still dont have a dog species, the only bear species from SA, we dont even have any bird from SA (does not need to be an aviary species), not to mention the absolute lack of New World monkeys, which are basically in most real life zoos....
It is true that Oceanic species are rare outside of the continent, but more and more zoos are including them, not to mention we are still missing the most common ones, emu, wallabies and a species too iconic to the conservation, the Tasmanian Devil. For South America, I belive SA species are quite well represented in zoos? Or at least from what I have seen in Europe, but we still dont have a dog species, the only bear species from SA, we dont even have any bird from SA (does not need to be an aviary species), not to mention the absolute lack of New World monkeys, which are basically in most real life zoos....
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Honestly, while I'd be okay if we didn't get any more North American species, the few I would personally prioritize don't overlap here at all. I think the black bear is the most striking omission, as it's a species with a strong presence in both small and large collections domestically with at least a passing international presence. After that I'd prioritize some other small zoo staples: coyote, bobcat, and white-tailed deer. All are redundant with existing species to a degree so I'd never actively push for them, but they're essential for smaller zoos or those that focus on native species. I'd almost include the river otter here as well (almost omnipresent in US zoos from my , but I find it really difficult to justify our third otter being anything besides the sea otter. After those, I could go for a few smaller species, like the raccoon (the international favorite, to my understanding), Virginia opossum, striped skunk, or nine-banded armadillo. And I'd be more than open to a peccary or coatimundi as well... so I guess really, there's quite a few North American species I'd like to see, even though I don't actually expect anything beyond perhaps the wolverine or red fox.
Yeah I dont expect much either
Have to agree about North America. There's not a lot of glaring omissions in the way of non-birds/non marine life. From there, the American Black Bear and the Raccoon are probably the most well known animals to the general public; the wolverine is probably the highest profile animal for more focused animal enthusiasts. There's other animals of course, but if I had to bet I'd say that's probably the animal pool we're looking at for North America, from here on out, with the red fox, a peccary and a coati not being completely out of the question. I'd actually be surprised if we got all 3 of the first 3 I mentioned.
I honestly have no interest in a raccoon at all. I prefer the coati and the armadillo, but the collared peccary, big horned sheep, mountain goat, roosevelt elk, wolverine, sea otter and musk ox are the ones i wouldn't complain about if we get them. Would love a bald eagle, californian condor or alligator snapping turtle but don't see it happening anytime soon tbh.
Other than that i'd rather get more animals from South America and Oceania than North America or Europe.
Yeah, if we're talking about flying birds, the Bald Eagle would probably end up being in my top two wanted animals, if not actually the top animal. That is definitely national bias for that though.
Snapping turtle could happen, it is just like the Aldabra or galapagos tortoises
Btw for why the racoon is the international favorite, it might not be a zoo animal for you guys, but 549 EAZA holdings and being the 15. Most common EAZA animal propapy says it all.
They are just insanly common over here
They are just insanly common over here
Similar goes for the skunk that I would still love to see. No zoo animals for people in North America, but very much for the rest of the world.
I would love the skunk, more than I want a raccoon definitely. First time I ever saw one in real life was Edinburgh Zoo and I thought it was the neatest little creature I'd ever seen.
Plus, it would be pretty unique (compared to the racoon), so at the end of the games life span yet another good species for modding I believe.
And I agree, they are neat.
My favourite zoo lately got some. I can not wait to see them.