Are we playing the same game? Nav points hold nav and traffic data (they already act as POI generators), and how else do navs know counts of ships in and out?
Expose more info about solo/pg player actions in station info
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Not much, really, thanks to how the BGS system works, and how the game generates missions.But what happens when someone goes kaboom before they fill that bucket?
Even before Frontier removed the more nuanced missions, it was always much easier to stack outgoing missions compared to incoming ones. I’d typically have at least half a dozen outgoing missions, and only one incoming one. Before Frontier changed things, that incoming mission was always for your faction. It would be one that generated bust or lockdown, which would cause randoms to ignore your faction. It also gave you influence, but that gain was shared between the six or seven other factions in the system.
These days, the incoming mission influence gain for the faction I’m supporting is shared between the other factions in the system, so the impact on your faction is tiny. My murder at your hands, though? That comes directly out of your bucket, not mine. It also generates a much greater overall influence loss, compared what allowing me to complete my run would’ve done, because that influence loss would be divided between six factions.
Then you need real time reports. And we don't have these. Sucks for you but it is the way it is. Maybe some 3rd party stuff might help - they aren't too picky with all the data.
Thats dandy if I'm in a system I care about though. Most of the time I'm not.
But we do have this, at least in part with Powerplay. Its why I wanted the BGS and PP systems merged.
Lore wise there's an ongoing storyline about the federal PDB.
Not even that. For example the KWS connects to a galaxy wide network of bounty boards, the very same one ATR apparently use. Or the Pilots Fed knowing and controlling everything, or superpowers. Or how powers instantly know when they are under attack in system as well as bubble wide.
The list is endless.
It does make sense in a pure MP game. Where players "meet". It's totally useless in a hybrid like ED. You know, because ppl play in solo. And they will be there even when you know it. And when you've stopped bothering that they are there in solo they will still be there. And run missions. While you run around a name that doesn't help you with anything about getting your crap done in the BGS or Powerplay.
I will bring my problems wherever the hell I like and you can't stop me.
In fact, I wasn't even replying to you, so my post is even less of your business.
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Again you conflate being there with the information footprint you leave which should be modeless. Unless via game-play you avoid leaving traces what you generate should be out there for all to see if they want.
I'm not conflating. There is the issue with meta info having no place in game. That's one thing.
The other, and that's what I was talking about in that post is the utter uselessness of that meta info.
I find that ironic, given how some people object to PvPers being called griefers, just because they’re blowing up people in Open for “reasons.” Yet here you are, calling people who dare influence the BGS in any way, outside of how you want to them to do so, the same thing. Especially given that the only function of the BGS is to generate change in the Galaxy.
That some are manipulating it as a proxy for other forms of gameplay, ranging from role-playing, all the way to a proxy for empire building and territorial conflicts, does not obviate it’s actual purpose.
I like the state of Open, because I very rarely see the racial slurs, sexism, homophobia, and general unpleasantness that, in my experience, accompanies an open-PvP environment. At best, the experience is actually fun. Mostly, it’s simply been polite indifference. Without the accompanying bad behavior, I get the feeling that there was nothing personal about the situation. They’re just playing the same game I am. And I can live with that.
Perhaps you should consider that other people are doing likewise. Their effects on the BGS is nothing personal. They’re just playing the same game you are.
1: as I've told you, its not meta and I gave examples to show how this is not the case.
2: its not useless.
But thats no longer the case. When the BGS was new back when the game launched, yes. But its grown as players have played the BGS.
I mean, why is it that the BGS now has UI outputs for security, happiness etc that feed directly into missions and INF given? Why was the black box opened up and devs told us how it worked? Why do we have reports on how well / badly a faction is doing?
It was all done because people play the BGS- its no longer a pure background sim.
It's been explained and I wont keep repeating it. Go ahead abd stick a finger in your ear, it doesnt change anything. Just like the suggestion wouldnt change anything either.
Then ignore the examples of galaxy, power, superpower, faction, system, security wide information thats generated. Thats not meta, those are systems in the game right now.
More information is useful.
and it's funny 'cause you get the people that do actively seek people's stuff out to trash it for the sake of upsetting them. Sometimes for the lulz, sometimes because they've got some weird misguided sense of being the good guy.
Just like PvP. Funny that.
This is definitely true, as much as I wish there was a proper place in the game for it other than the BGS. Some squadron-level game layer for smaller groups than "powerplay".
One of the best things about powerplay - as opposed to the BGS - is that you can't actually directly attack a powerplay faction without being actually pledged and having your name up as being an enemy in their space.
BGS? Nah, you can attack some player group's adopted faction for whatever made-up reason you want and they have no way of knowing who it is that's attacking them or why. Likewise, player factions can push into someone's space and steamroll them without even knowing they're kicking over someone's sandcastle.
If the sandcastle-building thing that player groups tend to get up to was its own game layer instead of slapping PMFs in, with all the stuff the BGS entails, there'd be a hell of a lot less drama and salt.
Following the gaming habits of a player, including their activities and when they are online so you can confront them is a form of harassment called stalking. Totally not not cool in an online game. There is absolutely no way that Frontier is going to implement tools to enable this kind of behavior.
If a single commander is running missions 24/7 in PG or solo, that might be an indicator. A bot runner would prefer PG or solo over open.