Is this really it? Is this the whole game? Did I miss something?

[Gelbrock]

I cannot see Elite bringing out a major aspect of the game that will change peoples negative views on it between now and the 16th Dec. Of course its a game in progress even after launch. But I would guess if your not happy with the game now you will probably not be happy with it at launch. I could be wrong, who knows if they have a massive crafting or linear mission story were one ship can change the face of the galaxy..... Mmmmm

Of course FD want feedback (although they probably take more notice of constructive positive feedback) but the devs and enough backers are happy with what it is now and I dont think they will change the basics of the game just because of some negative threads. It may appear there are many negative posts but more people actively complain then praise.

And the bottom line is FD are making the game they want and they have the financial freedom to do so without a production company looking over the shoulder and asking for changes.


So to the OP.... 'have I missed something?' question.


FD are as secretive as Star Wars when it comes to holding back content.... I think this question will be answered on release.

For me Im looking forward to the faction content that has not surfaced yet.... gaining rep with one faction and unlocking missions and ships as you go. Thats when you might see how one pilot can feel part of the overall game and how you have played your part in an ever changing galaxy.

I also expect to see 3 breasted woman in at least one star port bar.....

 

[atxferret]

I cannot see Elite bringing out a major aspect of the game that will change peoples negative views on it between now and the 16th Dec. Of course its a game in progress even after launch. But I would guess if your not happy with the game now you will probably not be happy with it at launch. I could be wrong, who knows if they have a massive crafting or linear mission story were one ship can change the face of the galaxy..... Mmmmm

Of course FD want feedback (although they probably take more notice of constructive positive feedback) but the devs and enough backers are happy with what it is now and I dont think they will change the basics of the game just because of some negative threads. It may appear there are many negative posts but more people actively complain then praise.

And the bottom line is FD are making the game they want and they have the financial freedom to do so without a production company looking over the shoulder and asking for changes.


So to the OP.... 'have I missed something?' question.


FD are as secretive as Star Wars when it comes to holding back content.... I think this question will be answered on release.

For me Im looking forward to the faction content that has not surfaced yet.... gaining rep with one faction and unlocking missions and ships as you go. Thats when you might see how one pilot can feel part of the overall game and how you have played your part in an ever changing galaxy.

I also expect to see 3 breasted woman in at least one star port bar.....

Again, if there is content waiting in the wings, who is testing it considering we're the beta testers? And how clunky is that launch going to be if they try to cram in a bunch of content, whatever it is, with no testing, and at or near launch? That would probably be more catastrophic than releasing it as the shell of a game that it currently is.

 

[Toxic_Waster]

I cannot see Elite bringing out a major aspect of the game that will change peoples negative views on it between now and the 16th Dec. Of course its a game in progress even after launch. But I would guess if your not happy with the game now you will probably not be happy with it at launch. I could be wrong, who knows if they have a massive crafting or linear mission story were one ship can change the face of the galaxy..... Mmmmm

Of course FD want feedback (although they probably take more notice of constructive positive feedback) but the devs and enough backers are happy with what it is now and I dont think they will change the basics of the game just because of some negative threads. It may appear there are many negative posts but more people actively complain then praise.

And the bottom line is FD are making the game they want and they have the financial freedom to do so without a production company looking over the shoulder and asking for changes.


So to the OP.... 'have I missed something?' question.


FD are as secretive as Star Wars when it comes to holding back content.... I think this question will be answered on release.

For me Im looking forward to the faction content that has not surfaced yet.... gaining rep with one faction and unlocking missions and ships as you go. Thats when you might see how one pilot can feel part of the overall game and how you have played your part in an ever changing galaxy.

I also expect to see 3 breasted woman in at least one star port bar.....

I totally agree. Those who expect magical miracles happen at the release day will be disappointed.

 

[atxferret]

I cannot see Elite bringing out a major aspect of the game that will change peoples negative views on it between now and the 16th Dec. Of course its a game in progress even after launch. But I would guess if your not happy with the game now you will probably not be happy with it at launch. I could be wrong, who knows if they have a massive crafting or linear mission story were one ship can change the face of the galaxy..... Mmmmm

Of course FD want feedback (although they probably take more notice of constructive positive feedback) but the devs and enough backers are happy with what it is now and I dont think they will change the basics of the game just because of some negative threads. It may appear there are many negative posts but more people actively complain then praise.

And the bottom line is FD are making the game they want and they have the financial freedom to do so without a production company looking over the shoulder and asking for changes.


So to the OP.... 'have I missed something?' question.


FD are as secretive as Star Wars when it comes to holding back content.... I think this question will be answered on release.

For me Im looking forward to the faction content that has not surfaced yet.... gaining rep with one faction and unlocking missions and ships as you go. Thats when you might see how one pilot can feel part of the overall game and how you have played your part in an ever changing galaxy.

I also expect to see 3 breasted woman in at least one star port bar.....

Oh, and actually, it has already been said that there will be no crafting and there will be no game-driving storylines.

 

[Toxic_Waster]

Oh, and actually, it has already been said that there will be no crafting and there will be no game-driving storylines.

Thanks god!

 

[atxferret]

Thanks god!

Agreed. But they didn't say anything about the game having no personality or life whatsoever.

 

[Shoklar]

It's really wild to me how many of you think that there is going to be this huge influx of content either at or soon after release.

Did you miss the part where this is the beta, and release is in a month? That means that anything that we're not testing right now is either going to be untested, or a long ways away, well after the devs are apparently expecting quite a few people to pay for the game. If you're really thinking that there's some hidden part of the game that will pop into existence in 33 days, who do you think is testing it? Do you think there's a second, super-secret beta team out there testing the REAL game?

Yeah right.

Even if we are lucky enough to get a significant amount of content at launch, it's going to be buggy as all hell since we're the freaking beta testers and we don't even know about it.

Another doom and gloom and the heavens will fall, or the game will fail post. This again, really? You know, why don't you guys who think this way, all make one big post and wollow in your own rash assumptions. Who knows, maybe we'll get to the bottom of what your definition of content is and why you're all a load of old worry warts. Once again, we're given the build of what needs tested, not what fully works and is in the coming pre-release. IF, I'm wrong and you turn out right at release. You can make an "I told you so post." Where you lambast all of us and have the devs cringing before you awaiting their just punishments. Would this make you feel better?

Shok.

 

[Erna Jedermann]

Again, if there is content waiting in the wings, who is testing it considering we're the beta testers? And how clunky is that launch going to be if they try to cram in a bunch of content, whatever it is, with no testing, and at or near launch? That would probably be more catastrophic than releasing it as the shell of a game that it currently is.

One question:

Lets say there will be this One hyper super Linear Mission Content which make you Richer than rich and brings you to the Hero of the Whole Galaxy .... (Ok little bit to much pathos, but I hope its clear what I mean) ... why shut we Test that now ??? If we test it now for what they must release the Game or this Storyline ??? In First Encounter they have a such a Storyline BUT you really must be right in Time and must make all Mission in the right maner/order to fly one of our...äh special ship in the end. And that I didn´t want again..... the Freedome there was limited, because your Hyperdrive get destroyed mostly before you reach any Intressting area (again if you follow there the RIGHT Path then all works well....).
In ED I didn´t see this limitations right now....

 

[Toxic_Waster]

Agreed. But they didn't say anything about the game having no personality or life whatsoever.

i think it's pointless to change your opinion. im enjoying elite so far. i wish there was something better. if you find it please let me know.

 

[SAB380]

I think it's time to stop with the "But it's a beta!"

This game gets released December 16th.
Unless Frontier are planning on releasing a large amount of content with no public testing, then this is essentially the Gamma version.

The other option is that Frontier may be planning to say, "But it's gamma!" and claim that it's really just another testing phase, with the substantial content still to be slowly drip released and tested directly in the gamma phase.

Pretending the OP doesn't have a point is silly.
It doesn't need a Mass Effect style main story but it does need branching content and interesting events, like shown in the first proper video where two warring cruisers sent out distress signals.

 

[Robonator]

What i would like to see would be content in form of actual missions. Like i would have to find and destroy a pirate outpost somewhere near X. After warping in i would have to fight some of the pirates and after that their leader would jump in etc rather than just "go somewhere and destroy 3 ships"
Thats stuff that would make the game more fun to me. If you could buy Modules like Weapons or Generators and have them in your cargo instead of having to equip them, i would probably spend ALOT of time helping newbs by dropping them some fancy equipment etc
I can see myself become bored as soon as i reach the anaconda in the current game or if i run out of friends to play with, but i still believe that there IS content still coming to us after release

 

[atxferret]

Another doom and gloom and the heavens will fall, or the game will fail post. This again, really? You know, why don't you guys who think this way, all make one big post and wollow in your own rash assumptions. Who knows, maybe we'll get to the bottom of what your definition of content is and why you're all a load of old worry warts. Once again, we're given the build of what needs tested, not what fully works and is in the coming pre-release. IF, I'm wrong and you turn out right at release. You can make an "I told you so post." Where you lambast all of us and have the devs cringing before you awaiting their just punishments. Would this make you feel better?

Shok.

No. I'd rather they make a complete game. That would make me feel better.

My definition of content is things to see and do. You know, like content. I'm not sure why you're pretending you don't know what content is, or what point you're trying to make with that.

And it's funny that you think they've pieced out the game to us and only given us the parts that they want us to test. That's beyond absurd. If that were the case, how would we test how this stuff works with the stuff that they're not having us test? That would be like test driving a car, but only the steering wheel part, and hoping the rest works out okay once you're on the road.

 

[_Flin_]

Almost as frustrating is having "read the DDF" and "it's a beta" tossed out as the supposed trump card to any concerns. I have read it and I like almost everything I read therein. But we're one week away from Beta ending, and one month away from release and only the barest fraction of any of it is there.

Well, this is actually not true.

There are many things, especially the basics about travel, hyperspace, trading, exploration and mining that are already in the game.

Things that aren't visible as of yet (which doesn't mean they don't exist, only that we haven't seen proof for them yet. They may or may not exist:
- background simulation, player influenced and event driven. This is the elephant in the room; if it works, a lot of the concerns will be eradicated if this works, because every system will have it's own little story line, generated from the background simulation.
- persistent NPCs
- Multiplayer features with alliances. This is rudimentary at the moment.
- NPC communication
- Reputation system (probably exists, see higher ranking players, but not visibly)
- P2P trading
- misjumps
- probing of asteroid fields (exploration)
- Galaxy map data filters (like piracy, bounty hunting), aides, upgrading, locking routes into hyperspace computer,
- Captain's journal
- gas/dust cloud mining and scooping, mining scans, negative effects
- negative effects from fuel scooping and fuel tank malfunctions

So while a lot of the DDA content is there, there is quite a lot that isn't. Actually I'd say it is in the area of around 20% - 33%.

I am really looking forward for tomorrow and the list of features that will be announced for Gamma.

 

[MorkFromOrk]

OP. I love this game for all it's faults.

Detractors. Stop attacking people that think the gameplay is lacking depth. It IS lacking depth. Telling someone to use their imagination only goes so far, not everyone boots up their PC and can imagine an entire space opera out of two egg cartons and some sticky back plastic. In my case I could but to be honest I don't want to anymore. I expect more from the game after 30 years and so far the missions have less depth than the original.

I believe FD will change this. If the detractors don't believe FD need to change this then you are burying your head in the sandbox.

 

[Iskariot]

It's really wild to me how many of you think that there is going to be this huge influx of content either at or soon after release.

Did you miss the part where this is the beta, and release is in a month? That means that anything that we're not testing right now is either going to be untested, or a long ways away, well after the devs are apparently expecting quite a few people to pay for the game. If you're really thinking that there's some hidden part of the game that will pop into existence in 33 days, who do you think is testing it? Do you think there's a second, super-secret beta team out there testing the REAL game?

Yeah right.

Even if we are lucky enough to get a significant amount of content at launch, it's going to be buggy as all hell since we're the freaking beta testers and we don't even know about it.

There is already enough content in the game as it is to entertain me (and many others) for hundreds of hours. It needs some tweaking yet, but that is understandable.
As I said... If you are bored already after just having been in this game for 30 hours, then it is abundantly clear this is not your game at all. It is made for a different type of gamer with a different gaming mentality. It happens. People are different. Just move on to another game.

You seem to know very little about what is planned for this game, because there will be truly game changing content added in the form of expansions after retail release (I would call that a 'huge influx' indeed.) This has been known from the start. This strict and disciplined compartmentalization of development is what has brought us the incredible quality we have now. You might want to read up on what is planned in the DDF.

The main problem I see with what you have said in this thread is that you seem to want it all, and that you want it NOW. That is not going to happen. Perhaps you should not have bought into the alpha/beta. The development process can be very taxing.

I would advise you to put the game down for now and come back after retail release. Have some fun with other games in the meanwhile.

 

[atxferret]

Well, this is actually not true.

There are many things, especially the basics about travel, hyperspace, trading, exploration and mining that are already in the game.

Things that aren't visible as of yet (which doesn't mean they don't exist, only that we haven't seen proof for them yet. They may or may not exist:
- background simulation, player influenced and event driven. This is the elephant in the room; if it works, a lot of the concerns will be eradicated if this works, because every system will have it's own little story line, generated from the background simulation.
- persistent NPCs
- Multiplayer features with alliances. This is rudimentary at the moment.
- NPC communication
- Reputation system (probably exists, see higher ranking players, but not visibly)
- P2P trading
- misjumps
- probing of asteroid fields (exploration)
- Galaxy map data filters (like piracy, bounty hunting), aides, upgrading, locking routes into hyperspace computer,
- Captain's journal
- gas/dust cloud mining and scooping, mining scans, negative effects
- negative effects from fuel scooping and fuel tank malfunctions

So while a lot of the DDA content is there, there is quite a lot that isn't. Actually I'd say it is in the area of around 20% - 33%.

I am really looking forward for tomorrow and the list of features that will be announced for Gamma.

And you think these things are going to be implemented into the current, already buggy build, and tested to the point of being even slightly functional within 33 days? Really? What you listed there is damn near a second game compared to the skeleton that we've been testing for months. I mean, hooray for positive thinking, but you might want to inject a bit of realism there.

 

[Gelbrock]

Again, if there is content waiting in the wings, who is testing it considering we're the beta testers? And how clunky is that launch going to be if they try to cram in a bunch of content, whatever it is, with no testing, and at or near launch? That would probably be more catastrophic than releasing it as the shell of a game that it currently is.

I think you hit the nail on the head here. It is a shell of a game. But the filling content (Im expecting a small amount) should not be so major that it would cause problems, I still think they have time to test some content in the next few weeks without issues and that minor content (such as the factions) is small enough to beef up the game and give purpose to those that need or want it.

For me its great that games these days can evolve, change, adapt unlike previous decades where you got whatever was loaded onto your cassette...

The Devs are so passionate about this game, I just cant see them produce an empty game. The way they are talking about adding so much new stuff in the future that is very promising.

This is DB's baby, its 30 years in the making, I dont think he will just release it then leave it alone.

Enough talk from me, time to play.....

 

[Zak Gordon]

What game does not boil down to simply killing NPC's or other players? What game is not repetitive? What game truly gives freedom?

In general games have not often reached the heights they could do, but the Elite games have always inspired and fueled the imagination and i don't see why ED will not also do this?

@OP did you play and enjoy any of the previous Elite games? As that might be the root of your concerns here, as in maybe you just don't enjoy Elite?

 

[atxferret]

There is already enough content in the game as it is to entertain me (and many others) for hundreds of hours. It needs some tweaking yet, but that is understandable.
As I said... If you are bored already after just having been in this game for 30 hours, then it is abundantly clear this is not your game at all. It is made for a different type of gamer with a different gaming mentality. It happens. People are different. Just move on to another game.

You seem to know very little about what is planned for this game, because there will be truly game changing content added in the form of expansions after retail release (I would call that a 'huge influx' indeed.) This has been known from the start. This strict compartmentalization of development is what has brought us the incredible quality we have now. You might want to read up on what is planned in the DDF.

Yeah, you can keep saying the same things over and over again, but it won't make them true. Wait, you also like doing the same things over and over again, apparently for hundreds of hours. Well, that explains that...

 

[Robert Maynard]

And you think these things are going to be implemented into the current, already buggy build, and tested to the point of being even slightly functional within 33 days? Really? What you listed there is damn near a second game compared to the skeleton that we've been testing for months. I mean, hooray for positive thinking, but you might want to inject a bit of realism there.

While the timescale is tight, some of the functionalities that we have at the moment feel very much like placeholders, basic modules if you like. Like upgrading the ships in the game, I expect that these modules will simply be replaced with superior parts thereby adding to the game. Whether all of the stated game design will be included for launch is unknown. However I sincerely hope that we can expect Frontier to release a game that will receive praise rather than get instantly panned by critics.