Planetary Approach Suite Module Slot in Odyssey

[Greasetrap42]

In Odyssey outfitting the Planetary Approach Suite has the appearance of a 1-slot optional internal module.

I can sell the Planetary Approach Suite but I can't do anything else with the slot. And I can't store the Planetary Approach Suite. So if I sell it... its gone. Poof, gone! In the case of a mining ship I might want to swap it out for a different module, perhaps a flight assist. But I can't.

If it is NOT intended to be swapable the slot should not have the appearance of being usable as an optional internal slot. It shouldn't even be included with the optional slots. Move it to the core slots, or just get rid of it, whatever I don't remember having this thought in Horizons, maybe it is represented differently there?

 

[Factabulous]

I don't remember having this thought in Horizons, maybe it is represented differently there?

Exactly the same.

 

[Frankymole]

What's the advantage of getting rid of it early on, surely it's "loaned" and so you don't even get money for getting rid of it (assuming your ship will only ever use stations)?

 

[Codger]

It's always been like that, since the beginning of Horizons. It's never made sense that it would be removable, but it is.

Its only purpose seems to be confusing people, which it occasionally does well.

 

[Greasetrap42]

Now that we have fleet carriers if some unlucky cmdr in deep space removes it to add a flight assist or DSS they are out of luck. And they can't land that ship on planets anymore. And they can't swap module between ships. Their ship is stuck until they return to the bubble -> I assume you can buy a new one at a port.

I tested this with a garbage ship. And yep it is now stuck as a non-planetary landing ship. +25,000 LY from civilization. I see no way to fix it without returning to a port in the bubble.

 

[Factabulous]

I tested this with a garbage ship. And yep it is now stuck as a non-planetary landing ship. +25,000 LY from civilization. I see no way to fix it without returning to a port in the bubble.

So module buyback didn't work? Just checked it on a FC and it seems to work

Or are you saying you haven't come across that feature either?

 

[Greasetrap42]

So module buyback didn't work? Just checked it on a FC and it seems to work

-> On my garbage ship sidewinder: NO... I could not buy it back. When I had tried to put anything in that slot it showed me nothing. No modules available to install including buyback modules. I tried again buying it back several hours later (having logged out/in) and still NO. (Edit: I can't remember. It might be a freewinder. I can sell buy/back the flight assist modules)

-> On my semi-garbage ship Adder: YES.. I just tested and was able to sell and buy back the Planetary Approach Suite.

I have no more semi-garbage ships I can test on. I'm too far away from space ports to mess with my good ships.

Sidewinder: Can't store the Planetary Approach suite. When sold no buyback available.

 

[Greasetrap42]

Regardless, it belongs with the core modules, emphasizing that it is NOT a module slot available for any other purpose.

 

[Zulu Romeo]

Now that Horizons has long been folded down to the base game, where the defining difference was the ability to approach planets, perhaps it is now time to fold down the planetary approach suite in the same way as the discovery scanner, and have it fitted permanently on all ships so that it doesn't take up a slot. At the moment I don't see an advantage to not being able to land on planets.

As to the slot that was added to all ships to accommodate this as part of its original introduction, take it or leave it. Sure, it's an extra slot for other uses like flight assists or an extra 2T cargo space, but balance it with extra mass.

 

[Riverside]

The PAS module works in a similar way to the hull armour slot, which does sit in the core modules section of outfitting.

However the hull armour slot is always filled, because there is a 'standard' option. So if the PAS is moved to core modules & either the regular horizons one becomes the standard (which cannot be removed) or a new 'space only' default module is added, it would solve the issue raised in the OP.

I can't say I've ever been confused by this slot, although perhaps it helps that I was playing the game when both were added originally.

As an alternative simply hiding/removing that module & slot and giving the player landing capability based solely on the game version they loaded would work, it's kinda pointless having it really since there is no advantage to downgrading.

 

[varonica]

-> On my garbage ship sidewinder: NO... I could not buy it back. When I had tried to put anything in that slot it showed me nothing. No modules available to install including buyback modules. I tried again buying it back several hours later (having logged out/in) and still NO. (Edit: I can't remember. It might be a freewinder. I can sell buy/back the flight assist modules)

-> On my semi-garbage ship Adder: YES.. I just tested and was able to sell and buy back the Planetary Approach Suite.

I have no more semi-garbage ships I can test on. I'm too far away from space ports to mess with my good ships.

Sidewinder: Can't store the Planetary Approach suite. When sold no buyback available.
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Was it the freewinder you get when you first start out, because that would explain that. Starter modules in the freewinder are all loaned modules, you can't sell them for money, they have no value therefore aren't stored when you remove them because they would have a different value to the rest of the same modules. I suspect a module with no value can't be purchased back through buyback!

 

[LordDamose]

In Odyssey outfitting the Planetary Approach Suite has the appearance of a 1-slot optional internal module.

I can sell the Planetary Approach Suite but I can't do anything else with the slot. And I can't store the Planetary Approach Suite. So if I sell it... its gone. Poof, gone! In the case of a mining ship I might want to swap it out for a different module, perhaps a flight assist. But I can't.

If it is NOT intended to be swapable the slot should not have the appearance of being usable as an optional internal slot. It shouldn't even be included with the optional slots. Move it to the core slots, or just get rid of it, whatever I don't remember having this thought in Horizons, maybe it is represented differently there?

Maby it's interchangeable because when they add water world landings u are going to probably switch out that module just guessing cuz they said certain ships will be suited for different roles like water worlds or even gas giants whenever those game play add-ons get out I'f there still on the planning board

 

[varonica]

Maby it's interchangeable because when they add water world landings u are going to probably switch out that module just guessing cuz they said certain ships will be suited for different roles like water worlds or even gas giants whenever those game play add-ons get out I'f there still on the planning board

If the extra planets are added to Odyssey then it shouldn't matter, if they are released as a paid expansion there would be a third type of landing suite to give you access to all 3 expansions, Horizons, Odyssey and Water Worlds, staring Kevin Costner...lol. The Superior Advanced Landing Suite maybe.

 

[LordDamose]

If the extra planets are added to Odyssey then it shouldn't matter, if they are released as a paid expansion there would be a third type of landing suite to give you access to all 3 expansions, Horizons, Odyssey and Water Worlds, staring Kevin Costner...lol. The Superior Advanced Landing Suite maybe.

You never know I agree it shouldn't be removable unless thats for a future update then that would explain y it is but tbh tho I think it was originally just given to those who had horizons like the cobra mk 4 or the viper equivalent I think it should be like the canopy listed in modules but not in outfitting unless it's going to be relivent later. Unless military upgrade to canopy ...hmm lol

 

[Greasetrap42]

Was it the freewinder you get when you first start out, because that would explain that. Starter modules in the freewinder are all loaned modules, you can't sell them for money, they have no value therefore aren't stored when you remove them

Normally you can store and sell loaned modules from free ships. Below screenshots are from the same ship.

It might be buggy though. It allowed me to store my 2-slot loaned cargo rack but it poofed out of existence.

 

[Dushess74]

What do you think of an idea to make travel/docker computers available for such slot? with counter as option to loose planetary approach suite, since we can't store it, only sell is available. (how long the rebuy is available?)

 

[Exeider]

It's always been like that, since the beginning of Horizons. It's never made sense that it would be removable, but it is.

Its only purpose seems to be confusing people, which it occasionally does well.

It made sense when they allowed Core only owners and Horizons owners to instance together. the module is what allows you to go into orbital flight, and was a quick and dirty was of giving everyone's PC/Console, the update, so everyone is in the same "universe" but restrict the actual planetary content to the actual owners of the expansion. When it first came out, I thought it was stupid as well, but now I've seen the even dumber idea of splitting the community up into "pocket universes", and looking back, I kind of wish we would go back to this. Give every ship another slot, call it an "airlock" or something, and put everyone back into the same universe again. I know that sounds stupid, but honestly it seems better than what we have because Fdev can't seem to get their s*** together, and it might be a better conceit than anything else they would come up with.

 

[Exeider]

What do you think of an idea to make travel/docker computers available for such slot? with counter as option to loose planetary approach suite, since we can't store it, only sell is available.

I think what Fdev needs to do, is create a "Computer Core" module and have all this stuff like docking computers, supercruise assist, etc as sub slots of that module or honestly, just make them core components of the ships and just remove them as modules from the game. That way, if you want to use the docking computer or SCA you can, if not, then don't. If they have to take back the extra slots as "payment" to maintain balance, then fine.

Something as complex as starships, would have all of that as standard features anyway. In fact I was thinking about this other day, if we had space stations and starships, in real life, ATC's would probably INSIST that your ships flight controls be turned over to their docking system for precisely the reason of making sure, dozens of active docking and undocking ships don't crash into each other. but w/e i digress.

 

[Greasetrap42]

What do you think of an idea to make travel/docker computers available for such slot? with counter as option to loose planetary approach suite, since we can't store it, only sell is available.

Any of these 3 ideas would be fine:

1) Move it to Core Modules

• It is a dedicated slot for a single type of module. It belongs with core modules.
• Another point to make forum formatting work.

or

2) Make It a Normal Optional Slot

• Make the Planetary Approach Suite slot a normal optional 1-slot that you can fit anything in. If somebody wants to give up planetary landing for something else... fine.
• The Planetary Approach Suite can be bought, sold, stored like any other module.

or

3) Get Rid Of The Slot

• Make the Planetary Approach Suite integral to the ship. Similar to cargo hatch and cockpit canopy.
• Remove the slot. Gone. No longer available.