Community Event / Creation The Buckyball Racing Club Presents - Mischief Mile: Rebooted (Magic 8-Ball Championship, Race 7)

Arrowroot 66

Arrowroot 66
Bunch of runs this weekend, all about the same time, but nothing worth submitting, so @Draig Seren is safe for another month :)

Now... I have the only runs on the regulation board starting at Mirateje, and in spite of all my efforts and the limpets bonus I could not beat those times starting at Tepech. So I must have been doing something wrong. I'll describe what I did, and then you can all pile in and tell me I'm a wally and what blindingly obvious thing I missed.
  1. Commander's Toolbox gave the shortest route as Tepech - Fuelum - LHS 3719 - NLTT 48288 - Mirateje
  2. Cobra wants 7 jumps to do Tepech to Fuelum (on Fastest route) and has fuel for 5
  3. Drop back up the route and pick Condi at 4 jumps as roughly halfway
  4. Select Condi as the first destination (didn't check it goes to the same places, but it was still 4 jumps)
  5. Another 4 jumps to Fuelum and land at Wollheim with about 10% fuel
  6. Refuel, stock up with limpets, and go to LHS 3719 and NLTT 48288
  7. Arrive at NLTT 48288 with fuel for one more jump, select Mirateje as new destination (6 or 7 jumps I think it was)
  8. First jump is to Allowair, and refuel at Skripochka Survey 30ls out.
  9. Resume the route to Mirateje
Coming back: go to NLTT 48288, use the last fuel to jump to LHS 3479 and Blenkinsop Landing 15ls out. Go from there to LHS 3719, then Fuelum (refuel at Wollheim) and then straight to Tepech.

I suspect the fact that I could go from Fuelum to Tepech but not the other way round should have been my clue, but I'm not sure what I should have done.

Flying the Hauler, I went the same way (3 jumps to Condi, then another 3 to Fuelum), except I got to NLTT 48288 and couldn't reach Allowair, so I went to Freng instead, and then to Mirateje from there.

So, everyone, thanks in advance, and what should I have done instead?
 

Shaye Blackwood

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Arrowroot 66 said:
Bunch of runs this weekend, all about the same time, but nothing worth submitting, so @Draig Seren is safe for another month :)

Now... I have the only runs on the regulation board starting at Mirateje, and in spite of all my efforts and the limpets bonus I could not beat those times starting at Tepech. So I must have been doing something wrong. I'll describe what I did, and then you can all pile in and tell me I'm a wally and what blindingly obvious thing I missed.
  1. Commander's Toolbox gave the shortest route as Tepech - Fuelum - LHS 3719 - NLTT 48288 - Mirateje
  2. Cobra wants 7 jumps to do Tepech to Fuelum (on Fastest route) and has fuel for 5
  3. Drop back up the route and pick Condi at 4 jumps as roughly halfway
  4. Select Condi as the first destination (didn't check it goes to the same places, but it was still 4 jumps)
  5. Another 4 jumps to Fuelum and land at Wollheim with about 10% fuel
  6. Refuel, stock up with limpets, and go to LHS 3719 and NLTT 48288
  7. Arrive at NLTT 48288 with fuel for one more jump, select Mirateje as new destination (6 or 7 jumps I think it was)
  8. First jump is to Allowair, and refuel at Skripochka Survey 30ls out.
  9. Resume the route to Mirateje
Coming back: go to NLTT 48288, use the last fuel to jump to LHS 3479 and Blenkinsop Landing 15ls out. Go from there to LHS 3719, then Fuelum (refuel at Wollheim) and then straight to Tepech.

I suspect the fact that I could go from Fuelum to Tepech but not the other way round should have been my clue, but I'm not sure what I should have done.

Flying the Hauler, I went the same way (3 jumps to Condi, then another 3 to Fuelum), except I got to NLTT 48288 and couldn't reach Allowair, so I went to Freng instead, and then to Mirateje from there.

So, everyone, thanks in advance, and what should I have done instead?
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2. If you manually plot the right systems you can do it in 6 without refuelling. Weird you are running out of fuel after 5, I seem to remember the route plotter plotting a 7 jump route with spare fuel. What filters are you using in the galaxy map?

The rest of your route is identical to mine and I suspect most others as well, barring filter shenanigans. 6 jumps to Fuelum, 2 jumps to LHS 3719, 4 jumps to NLTT 48288 and 6 jumps to Mirateje including a refuel at Allowair.
 

Alec Turner

Alec Turner
Arrowroot 66 said:
Bunch of runs this weekend, all about the same time, but nothing worth submitting, so @Draig Seren is safe for another month :)

Now... I have the only runs on the regulation board starting at Mirateje, and in spite of all my efforts and the limpets bonus I could not beat those times starting at Tepech. So I must have been doing something wrong. I'll describe what I did, and then you can all pile in and tell me I'm a wally and what blindingly obvious thing I missed.
  1. Commander's Toolbox gave the shortest route as Tepech - Fuelum - LHS 3719 - NLTT 48288 - Mirateje
  2. Cobra wants 7 jumps to do Tepech to Fuelum (on Fastest route) and has fuel for 5
  3. Drop back up the route and pick Condi at 4 jumps as roughly halfway
  4. Select Condi as the first destination (didn't check it goes to the same places, but it was still 4 jumps)
  5. Another 4 jumps to Fuelum and land at Wollheim with about 10% fuel
  6. Refuel, stock up with limpets, and go to LHS 3719 and NLTT 48288
  7. Arrive at NLTT 48288 with fuel for one more jump, select Mirateje as new destination (6 or 7 jumps I think it was)
  8. First jump is to Allowair, and refuel at Skripochka Survey 30ls out.
  9. Resume the route to Mirateje
Coming back: go to NLTT 48288, use the last fuel to jump to LHS 3479 and Blenkinsop Landing 15ls out. Go from there to LHS 3719, then Fuelum (refuel at Wollheim) and then straight to Tepech.

I suspect the fact that I could go from Fuelum to Tepech but not the other way round should have been my clue, but I'm not sure what I should have done.

Flying the Hauler, I went the same way (3 jumps to Condi, then another 3 to Fuelum), except I got to NLTT 48288 and couldn't reach Allowair, so I went to Freng instead, and then to Mirateje from there.

So, everyone, thanks in advance, and what should I have done instead?
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I'll share my bookmarks when I get into work. I had 7 jumps to Fuelum with no need to refuel so yeah, as Sulu said, I wonder what filters you had on (I had none). The fact that Shaye managed it in 6 jumps explains everything I need to know about his time. For me it was 19 jumps total in either direction with or without the 8 limpets. It seemed slightly faster on the way back to Tepech but no Snickers bonus so I quickly abandoned that direction in regulation and focused on the Tepech - Mirateje route. Getting Homborger to refuel me at NLTT 48288 saved me 1 extra jump plus station refuel at the cost of the ship to ship refuel time and that's how I got my best run. I guess the ultimate Cobra run would be Shaye's 6 jump route with something like a refuelaconda at NLTT 48288 to do rhe refuel in a single massive salvo rather than the multiple salvos reuquired using Homborger's Krait refuelling ship. Perhaps that's what Bruski's winning(?) multi-boxed limpet refuel run did?
 
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Fish172

Fish172
Ok race is over and I would just like to say thank you to @Ashnak for hosting one of the most enjoyable and frustrating races yet.

I started the races with real gusto but found the course extremely difficult. I was not surprised as I had never really bothered much with fuel management. With a hell of a lot of determination I managed to complete a crazies run for a total after bonus of 22 minutes. I was pleased with that so went on to Cobra. I was so far off the pace it was painful. This was until Alec politely pointed out I was going the wrong course. (Jackson lighthouse was pretty though) After I had finished rolling about the floor laughing it became much clearer if not easier. I got real pace in the crazies and done fair in regulation (with my best and fastest regulation coming in on my very last attempt, that is quite rewarding in itself). I could ask no more.
I have learned loads, cried, laughed and even shouted on occasion. What a hoot! Thank you!
 

Epaphus

Epaphus
Arrowroot 66 said:
Bunch of runs this weekend, all about the same time, but nothing worth submitting, so @Draig Seren is safe for another month :)

Now... I have the only runs on the regulation board starting at Mirateje, and in spite of all my efforts and the limpets bonus I could not beat those times starting at Tepech. So I must have been doing something wrong. I'll describe what I did, and then you can all pile in and tell me I'm a wally and what blindingly obvious thing I missed.
  1. Commander's Toolbox gave the shortest route as Tepech - Fuelum - LHS 3719 - NLTT 48288 - Mirateje
  2. Cobra wants 7 jumps to do Tepech to Fuelum (on Fastest route) and has fuel for 5
  3. Drop back up the route and pick Condi at 4 jumps as roughly halfway
  4. Select Condi as the first destination (didn't check it goes to the same places, but it was still 4 jumps)
  5. Another 4 jumps to Fuelum and land at Wollheim with about 10% fuel
  6. Refuel, stock up with limpets, and go to LHS 3719 and NLTT 48288
  7. Arrive at NLTT 48288 with fuel for one more jump, select Mirateje as new destination (6 or 7 jumps I think it was)
  8. First jump is to Allowair, and refuel at Skripochka Survey 30ls out.
  9. Resume the route to Mirateje
Coming back: go to NLTT 48288, use the last fuel to jump to LHS 3479 and Blenkinsop Landing 15ls out. Go from there to LHS 3719, then Fuelum (refuel at Wollheim) and then straight to Tepech.

I suspect the fact that I could go from Fuelum to Tepech but not the other way round should have been my clue, but I'm not sure what I should have done.

Flying the Hauler, I went the same way (3 jumps to Condi, then another 3 to Fuelum), except I got to NLTT 48288 and couldn't reach Allowair, so I went to Freng instead, and then to Mirateje from there.

So, everyone, thanks in advance, and what should I have done instead?
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Regulation Cobra can do the 7 jumps between Tepech to Fuelum, The galmap route planning doesn't account for the Cobra getting lighter as the fuel is used up so it doesn't think you can make it when you can.
I realised that after my first run as I just set off with no plan other than the required stops to see where the fuel would run out and see what systems I could refuel at near by.

With some manual plotting you can do it 6, looking at the timings I suspect there is another jump saved elsewhere. I didn't have time to look as it was late yesterday when I worked out the first jump saved.
The rest of my route was same with refueling in Allowair although I stopped at Underwood Survey instead of Skripochka so I didn't have worry about lining up with mail slot while in supercruise.
 

Alec Turner

Alec Turner
Alec Turner said:
I'll share my bookmarks when I get into work. I had 7 jumps to Fuelum with no need to refuel so yeah, as Sulu said, I wonder what filters you had on (I had none). The fact that Shaye managed it in 6 jumps explains everything I need to know about his time. For me it was 19 jumps total in either direction with or without the 8 limpets. It seemed slightly faster on the way back to Tepech but no Snickers bonus so I quickly abandoned that direction in regulation and focused on the Tepech - Mirateje route. Getting Homborger to refuel me at NLTT 48288 saved me 1 extra jump plus station refuel at the cost of the ship to ship refuel time and that's how I got my best run. I guess the ultimate Cobra run would be Shaye's 6 jump route with something like a refuelaconda at NLTT 48288 to do rhe refuel in a single salvo rather than the multiple salvos reuquired using Homborger's Krait refuelling ship. Perhaps that's what Bruski's winning(?) multi-boxed limpet refuel run did?
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OK, here are my Cobra bookmarks.

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1) The indented waypoints are my additional refuelling stops, 'v' (Underwood) on the way down the list, '^ (Lorentz) on the way up.
2) jumps are down/up (so 7 + 2 + 4 + 1 + 5 = 19 on the way down, 6 + 1 + 3 + 2 + 7 = 19 on the way up)
3) with ship-to-ship limpet refuelling at NLTT 48288 I skipped Underwood
 

Edelgard von Rhein

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Many thanks to Ashnak for a very interesting and enjoyable race! o7

I had a lot of fun preparing for this and every ship I raced made a few circuits of Wollheim Vision, LHS 3719, NLTT 48288 and Ocampo station as I fine-tuned my jumps. The Tepech <--> Fuelum route was mostly simple, except for my T7 that needed to start with 68-78% max fuel in order to make a low fuel jump of 31.03 LY to Fuelum and going the other way finishing with 2 low fuel jumps. I missed that the Regulation Cobra MkIII could do Tepech - Fuelum in 6 jumps, as I plotted manually for 7 (Antliae Sector JM-W c1-31, Trante, Crucis Sector MC-V b2-6, Crucis Sector MC-V b2-3 and then plotted 3 jumps to Fuelum).

My key refuelling stop was Aksyonov Orbital, Yu Di Yi, an Ocellus <20LS from the jump-in point and the planet it orbits is massive enough to provide decent gravity braking. I used this for all my Limpet runs until I realised I could use Lorentz Plant, Uzumeru and this enabled me to get my final Regulation Cobra MkIII run under 21:30 base time.

My Challenger limpet runs refuelled additionally at Brunner Settlement, Nanta Ti (outpost, ~593 Ls from jump-in) in between Tepech and Fuelum and then Gauss Port, Euboa (outpost <20 Ls from jump-in, that has no repair facilities) in between LHS 3719 and NLTT 48288 and finally Aksyonov Orbital, Yu Di Yi.

For both the T7 and DBX I was able to get from Ocampo Station to Wollheim Vision without refuelling. The route in the DBX stretched the tank to the limit: in order to make the jump from LHS 3719 to Fuelum (33.05 LY) without losing jumps en route I had to search carefully to find systems in just the right place to use the least amount of fuel. Even then, the route plotter showed a dotted line - but my right hand panel claimed I had the range and by selecting Fuelum manually as for a low fuel jump I was able to make it.
Here is my DBX run:
Source: https://youtu.be/RoPW7XjMajo
 

Kyle Stryker

Kyle Stryker
Guys,

This was my first BRC race and really enjoyed it. Saw a few guys out there (Bruski & Martinjameson) and hope to see more in future races. My favorite part was the no fuel scoop or engineering allowed in this race. It forced me to get creative in the ship build and develop a race strategy, without having to fly around the bubble getting the thing engineered. It reminded me of Formula 1 15-20 years ago, before they introduced stupid rules like no refueling and KERS (Those were the days).
 

Bruski

Bruski
Alec Turner said:
I'll share my bookmarks when I get into work. I had 7 jumps to Fuelum with no need to refuel so yeah, as Sulu said, I wonder what filters you had on (I had none). The fact that Shaye managed it in 6 jumps explains everything I need to know about his time. For me it was 19 jumps total in either direction with or without the 8 limpets. It seemed slightly faster on the way back to Tepech but no Snickers bonus so I quickly abandoned that direction in regulation and focused on the Tepech - Mirateje route. Getting Homborger to refuel me at NLTT 48288 saved me 1 extra jump plus station refuel at the cost of the ship to ship refuel time and that's how I got my best run. I guess the ultimate Cobra run would be Shaye's 6 jump route with something like a refuelaconda at NLTT 48288 to do rhe refuel in a single massive salvo rather than the multiple salvos reuquired using Homborger's Krait refuelling ship. Perhaps that's what Bruski's winning(?) multi-boxed limpet refuel run did?
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This guess was mostly correct. I didn't realize Tepech > Fueling was possible in 6 jumps without refueling, because I started the race with only 12 tons of fuel to make the first two long jumps. I will post my route later but I'm curious how the 6 jump no refuel on worked.

I got a batch of fuel after 4 jumps, and it's fast enough I don't think it slowed me down that much. Then my refueler ship (once my dualboxed Phantom Krait, another time the wonderful alterNERDtive) jumped to NLTT and met me there for another full salvo of limpets. With NavLock and a lot of controllers it does not take long to refuel, I'll have to time it but I would guess around 20 seconds, maybe less, of total addition to the jump cycle.
 

Bruski

Bruski
alterNERDtive refueling, would've been faster but I botched the final landing badly

Self refueling, faster but the refuelings aren't as speedy.

Neither are perfect to watch, dualboxing broke my OBS window capture. And the times in the titles might not be exactly accurate, I haven't renamed them since my rough guess. (the race submissions are though) :p.
 

Bruski

Bruski
I will try to make a commentary video on a run later, in the meantime here's the dualboxing and external refueler videos:
alterNERDtive refueling


dualboxing


Quick time comparisons:
Typical jump cycle from jump in to charging finished, 25 seconds.
With drop and refuel and no prespooling, 43 seconds. So an additional 18 seconds for a full tank of fuel.
With prespooling 26 seconds.

So if all the jumps had been prespoolable (meaning there was enough fuel left in the tank to begin charging the next jump) there's essentially no additional time spent. Doing that multiple times to enable prespooling the FSD drive would've been the fastest way for this race (although I didn't realize until later).
It also requires tight coordination between the racer and refueler, and a dedicated refueling ship that can launch a large salvo of limpets quickly, scoop fuel fast, and jump long. (obviously a Conda, maybe a Beluga).
 

Ashnak

Ashnak

And finally...​

the race is over. I received 69 submission, 69 of which were valid. In one case, the CMDR in question didn't load enough Snickers and preferred to let another Snickers-less run stand in. 20 of those submissions were during the last 30 hours of this race. And I don't think we had a race with a leaderboard that crowded (in terms of time differences) in a long time.
But let me start at the bottom.
CMDR Crotalus managed to bring in one run in the Crazies class in Cerastes. Admittedly, even with the Crazies bonus, this was the slowest run in this race. On the other hand, it's also the only run in this race with a Sidewinder. And, just to remind you in this age of engineered ships, an unengineered Sidewinder crossing the bubble from one side to the other.
Next up the ladder, CMDR New Model 15 was able to gain almost 4 minutes over his previous time with his Python Great King Rat.
One step up, psykit dragged her Federal Corvette Epaphus No across the course to reach 11th place - unfortunately not good enough to stay out of the one-point-club for the Classics/Crazies class. When asked for a comment on this race, she replied "I'm never flying an unengineered corvette again."
Next, CMDR Martinjameson flogged his dead whippet onto tenth place. Perseverance paid off in this case.
Now going for championship points, CMDR Captain-MD reached 9th place in his Type-7 Type-(Lucky)7(s).
Psykit's counterpoint CMDR Epaphus was able to drag his Federal Corvette Psykit Yes up to place 8.
Young (in the rank of Buckyball racers) CMDR Kyle Stryker continued his glorious debut with a well deserved 7th place in Phast Phantom.
A clean run in his Diamondback Explorer Magic Mischief sets CMDR Alec Turner on the 6th place - the topmost rank for the Classic ships. There is one faster classic run, but this CMDR managed an even faster Crazy run. So let's proceed into the Crazies leader group, dominated by the Alliance Chieftain. Could we be looking at the next default Rat ship here?
On 5th place, CMDR jspace in Musikwagen managed to put in a late entry.
CMDR Edelgard von Rhein started to set the benchmark for the crazy Chieftains in Gauntlet, and was able to hold onto 4th place until the end of this race.
CMDR Sulu kept his 3rd podium place in Mischieftan Crazy.
However, CMDR Shaye Blackwood had to yield the first place he held with Helios to a late entry from CMDR Bruski. Receiving professional support from CMDR alterNERDtive in his role as Fuel Rat, he was able to smash the previous record by 3 and a half minutes. Congratulations, CMDRs.


In Regulation class, the top end has been throroughly mixed up thanks to a few late entries. But again, starting from the bottom:
CMDR Kyle Stryker is propping up the bottom end. With only a few runs, he still managed a respectable time.
On the next three places up, with less than 90 seconds difference, we have CMDRs Stobi-Wan (18), Homborger (17) and Martinjameson (16).
One minute faster, we find CMDR Draig Seren on 15th place, and another minute faster CMDR Mr Sloppy on 14th.
And from here on, the differences in time become small. We have 6 (six!) CMDRs sharing a window of only 18 seconds:
CMDR FearlessF21 on 13th place
CMDRs Sinister Hedgehog and Sir Boundness in a tie on 11th place
CMDRs Edelgard von Rhein and jspace in a tie on 9th place
and CMDR Sulu on 8th place.
Next up is the 20-minute-club - CMDR Elastul Ma'fer on 7th place, CMDR psykit on 6th place (missing the one-point-club by a clear margin), CMDR Captain-MD on 5th place and CMDR Epaphus on 4th. All four of them within a 6-second window. A single, slightly misjusdged approach or landing could have completely changed this picture.
Coming to the podium, we see the usual suspects:
CMDR Alec Turner in Ask Again Later on third place
CMDR Shaye Blackwood in Lost in Time on second
and
CMDR Bruski in Flaming Onionhead Express as the winner in the Regulation class.
While both CMDRs Alec Turner and Bruski relied on limpet refuelling, CMDR Shaye Blackwood managed this feat solely through station refuelling. With his permission, I present you the video of his flight:


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Many thanks to everyone who participated in this race. I hope to see you in the next one.
 

Alec Turner

Alec Turner
Wow. It's going to take a while for me to take all that in (and even longer to transpose all this across to the championship leaderboard where the rule about only your best six races counting towards your points total will now start affecting some commanders).

In the meantime, massive thanks and appreciation to Ashnak for running this fantastic race and congratulations to winners and not-so-winners alike for their achievements!
 

Ozric

Volunteer Moderator
Ozric
Epaphus said:
Regulation Cobra can do the 7 jumps between Tepech to Fuelum, The galmap route planning doesn't account for the Cobra getting lighter as the fuel is used up so it doesn't think you can make it when you can.
I realised that after my first run as I just set off with no plan other than the required stops to see where the fuel would run out and see what systems I could refuel at near by.

With some manual plotting you can do it 6, looking at the timings I suspect there is another jump saved elsewhere. I didn't have time to look as it was late yesterday when I worked out the first jump saved.
The rest of my route was same with refueling in Allowair although I stopped at Underwood Survey instead of Skripochka so I didn't have worry about lining up with mail slot while in supercruise.
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I just did the Galaxy map plotting all the way, so got to Fuelum in 7 jumps. I did check in EDDiscovery to see if there was a faster way, but that also said 7 jumps was the quickest.
Clearly it was lying :D

Shame really as the 45 seconds saved would have put me in fourth, although tantalisingly 1 second behind Alec. So maybe it's the best 😅

Fantastic work though to finish in Fourth place yourself and huge congratulations to everyone who took part! Thanks Ashnak for organising and running this race, it's been great fun and frustrating in equal measure :D

Also can we just appreciate that 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th places were separated by only 8 seconds!
 

Fish172

Fish172
Dam what a close run race and I am sorry Edelgard as I pipped you in both classes. In my defence it was not deliberate. Oh and blimey I got a podium which I am chuffed about. Well done to all. Oh and Bruski you still should be banned and yer mate Shaye too. Nice to see Alec on the podium too.
My Crazy run, slower than those two but still quite pleased with it as it was my first fuel management style race

And dam I got video to work, bonus
Source: https://youtu.be/z4odBXuglVQ

Source: https://youtu.be/9z-uToA80Ms
 
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