The Open v Solo v Groups thread
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As far as im concerned they come under the same bracket - low life.
They want something for nothing and don't have to work for it, how hard is it to bully a merchant ship in a murder boat? no skill no honor.
Come up against an equal ship and they run a mile.
They are just gankers with a Parrot
O7
There is a qualitative and immersion related difference between the two.
Pirates have always been part of game back to '84. Though the credit inflation robbed them of their primary driver and in ED the gankers robbed them of their gameplay.
Pirates have always been part of game back to '84. Though the credit inflation robbed them of their primary driver and in ED the gankers robbed them of their gameplay.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Indeed. From the target's perspective there's no difference between them until after the encounter - and, given that some pirates destroy their targets, that's no difference at all.
Mate completely understand that and sometimes you have to take my posts with a bit of tongue in cheek.
I have no issues with folks 'role-playing' as pirates, hell the first time it happened i laughed just before 'he' hit the rebuy screen.
The issue is it gets old very fast, when i want to do some PP or mining getting stopped every half hour or so gets pretty annoying and lets face it some of the so called Pirates are just complete muppets who use it as an excuse.
Why am i going to give them cargo i just spent hours working for?
That's why i switched to solo, no fuss no problems.
O7
Id love to meet a player pirate. The trouble is, when interdicted you can't tell the difference soon enough. The "FA-off, flip, boost, high-wake" routine will be done before a pirate's demands come up on the screen.
That's why I say gankers have destroyed piracy. They've made a game environment in which the meta is to not wait for communication.
Sometimes when interdicted I do wait; I'd like to meet a real pirate. On every occasion when I've stopped and said "Hi", though, I've immediately exploded and received no explanation. OK, at least it keeps the blocklist up to date.
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Very much this.Because the pirate mechanics are crap at best. No way to "snag" the victim stationary after taking out his weps. Only way is to disable victims drives.
Ingame comms is only via text which again is daft.
No grappling hook. So 99% of pirates are consigned to npc pirating. Even then the pickings are slim.
Borked !
Ingame comms is only via text which again is daft.
No grappling hook. So 99% of pirates are consigned to npc pirating. Even then the pickings are slim.
Borked !
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
.... and anything implemented to improve the gameplay of "real pirates" could, and would, be abused by non-pirates as they would have more ways to make the game less fun for their targets.
But what I'd do is this.
Grappling hook only issued to ships that do not have weps equipped.
My thinking is thus...
Upto (depending on size of ship) 8 grappling hooks of various sizes. Larger being more effective on larger targets. Fired as volleys or in firegroups.
Replacing the need for weps. Once the hooks are sufficiently in place reverse thrust reel em in. Mini game.
Course the hooks wanna be hooked into the rear of the victim to rule out their firing upon the pirate.
Doing no hull or module damage except perhaps drives at rear. But that's digressing.
No use to gankers at all as the proported victim doesn't blow up and without hatchbreakers it would be pointless to all.
Weps are only needed if its the only way to disable a vessel.
So hooks are a viable way round that.
Now a cobra trying to hook a conda...mmm is it possible lol.?
But essentially non violent. Just a gameloop with a degree of skill required from the pirate. An engineered ship customised accordingly. And alot of potential haulers hehe
Grappling hook only issued to ships that do not have weps equipped.
My thinking is thus...
Upto (depending on size of ship) 8 grappling hooks of various sizes. Larger being more effective on larger targets. Fired as volleys or in firegroups.
Replacing the need for weps. Once the hooks are sufficiently in place reverse thrust reel em in. Mini game.
Course the hooks wanna be hooked into the rear of the victim to rule out their firing upon the pirate.
Doing no hull or module damage except perhaps drives at rear. But that's digressing.
No use to gankers at all as the proported victim doesn't blow up and without hatchbreakers it would be pointless to all.
Weps are only needed if its the only way to disable a vessel.
So hooks are a viable way round that.
Now a cobra trying to hook a conda...mmm is it possible lol.?
But essentially non violent. Just a gameloop with a degree of skill required from the pirate. An engineered ship customised accordingly. And alot of potential haulers hehe
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Limiting one ship in a wing in terms of carrying no weapons to be able to equip grappeling hooks would not limit any other wing members.
Love the idea but how are you going to persuade any real pirate to give up a 4A Multi-Cannon for a fishing hook
O7
Interesting, i like this idea, the Pirates fish hooks vs my 2 Large Beams and 4A MC
O7
And perhaps even provide a substantial penalty for murder after cargo has been ejected. Like something exponential to the amount of cargo being requested.
You know, since the "victim" complied with the request.
Because in the end, that's where all these academically interesting discussions tend to fail, and the "gankers" fall back on prerogative.
You know, since the "victim" complied with the request.
Because in the end, that's where all these academically interesting discussions tend to fail, and the "gankers" fall back on prerogative.
