No Single Player offline Mode then?

[MadDogMurdock]

Well this is all fun and games.
For those who are upset, carefully read ‪https://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/kickstarter+basics#faq_41860‬

Yes, there was a clear intent at the beginning to create a solo offline mode, but I don't see that in any of the pledge levels, so whether FD have failed to deliver on their promise is open to interpretation.

This is a technical decision. For a true offline mode to work, everything the servers do would need to be in the client and fully functional. That means price updates, BB board updates, reputation mechanics, etc.
It's clear that the list of server reliant mechanisms has increased over the course of development, and FD are unwilling to divert development resources into getting them into the client when there's still some doubt about whether they work properly on the server side.

Disappointing, yes. Tragic, no.

We have a great game to play, can't wait to see what else is in there.

 

[bamber]

Complaining about a lack of offline mode is like going to the Champions League final - seeing 4 of the best goals ever seen with 6 streakers running across the pitch including keira knightly and then going home and writing on a forum that you want your money back because the half time Bovril was only tepid despite the stadium signs stating catering was available

 

[the-monk]

I support them too but we can have an other view. Offline mode is very important for many of us so its normal we discuss of it there.
Hope Frontier will listen and plan later to give us this option cause it will be a big mess for many.

You say many of us but it if was put to a poll I'm sure it would be a minority.

 

[JiminyJickers]

There's an established process on the store for requesting a refund: https://store.zaonce.net/cancellations-returns/

Michael

Thank you, I'm requesting my refund now. Was just about to upgrade to the Beta backer but will now get a refund of my pre-order. Way to kick loyal fans in the face.


Edit: I have now requested my refund, I hope it will be processed quickly so that I can wash my hands of this. So disappointed.

 

[Jeverest]

You leave turbografx and the original Bonk out of this, devil woman!

 

[noodle]

You say many of us but it if was put to a poll I'm sure it would be a minority.

I wouldn't be so sure that it was a minority of those who pledged at a higher level. Oh, and I did try to start a polite, non-flamey poll, but an over-zealous mod merged it out of existence.

 

[Lobstris]

I should've gone with Star Citizen afterall. I still play the Sinclair ZX48 version on my emulator, I was hoping to upgrade though!

Star Citizen was on the Spectrum? Now that I would like to see!

 

[beelbeebub]

This can be ignored because the law which I earlier described overrides any EULA terms within the EU only

Please note, this does NOT apply to Kickstarter, only genuine buyers.

Additionally, that term is only valid if it is backed up by a definite acceptance by a user as part of the purchase.

The counsel I received in my case this year states, "Cancellation terms in particular need to be flagged (and there are specific consequences of not doing so). Links to T&Cs – if a trader wants to rely on them, they would need to prove a consumer has read them - this goes in levels of ‘risk’ i.e ones that make you scroll all the way before you can accept are ‘safest’, simple links hard to rely on."

IIRC this issue came up in PB, when someone downloaded the beta, then decided they wanted their money back. They got a refund based on this point. The day after there was a change to the launcher and T&C's to address this point. I'd be surprised if this loophole (and it is a loophole) still exists after FD have had to address it once. Still have a go if think you can make it stick.
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I'm not sure what KS's position is, bear in mind you are not an investor and KS is not a shop. You pledge to help projects get "kick started", there is an understanding that development processes are always uncertain. Any legal case would have to hinge on what FD considered possible at the time of the KS, not what was later revealed to be possible.

 

[Mephane]

Complaining about a lack of offline mode is like going to the Champions League final - seeing 4 of the best goals ever seen with 6 streakers running across the pitch including keira knightly and then going home and writing on a forum that you want your money back because the half time Bovril was only tepid despite the stadium signs stating catering was available

This analogy makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[littleminxundr]

You leave turbografx and the original Bonk out of this, devil woman!

I should dust my TG-console off. I have it stashed away in the shed, though that involves three days of sweettalking my SO into clearing out the shed and I don't have the energy for that, lol (I believe that the old consoles are way in the back of the shed. My SO fears my bouts of console-nostalgia, you see.)

 

[Pibbles]

Not starting an argument, and do not need proof - you confirmed yourself that it does NOT cover people who backed via Kickstarter, only customers who have bought via the store. Does the store page where you purchase it say that there is an offline component? Or are you going down the track that it doesn't specifically say it *doesn't* say that, ergo a customer could complain because they were led to believe it could be played offline because that was not expressed? Given it is touted as an MMO (and let's not get in to a heated discussion as to what *that* is), would could *infer* that it is an online game.

gone to PM...

 

[Marc Alexander]

This analogy makes no sense whatsoever.

No but I did appreciate the specificity..

 

[SentineI]

So how do I get a refund? I pledged based purely on the fact that an fully offline versions was possible. This is clearly not going to happen so I want my £200 back.

I'm afraid you don't understand how Kickstarter works (sadly like a lot of people). When you pledge money to Kickstarter, you are giving your money with essentially *no strings attached*. Read the terms & conditions. Read the "Risks and challenges" at the bottom of every Kickstarter. If the company fails to deliver ANYTHING (and that happens a lot) then you are NOT entitled to your money back (as long as they made "good faith" efforts to do what they originally planned).

OTOH, if you bought the game in Frontier's shop, legally things are entirely different.

 

[EAGLE 5]

Well this is all fun and games.
For those who are upset, carefully read ‪https://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/kickstarter+basics#faq_41860‬

Yes, there was a clear intent at the beginning to create a solo offline mode, but I don't see that in any of the pledge levels, so whether FD have failed to deliver on their promise is open to interpretation.

This is a technical decision. For a true offline mode to work, everything the servers do would need to be in the client and fully functional. That means price updates, BB board updates, reputation mechanics, etc.
It's clear that the list of server reliant mechanisms has increased over the course of development, and FD are unwilling to divert development resources into getting them into the client when there's still some doubt about whether they work properly on the server side.

Disappointing, yes. Tragic, no.

We have a great game to play, can't wait to see what else is in there.

My thoughts exactly, perhaps in the future (after release) they can dedicate their efforts in creating a canned universe that can run from the client's computer but that would have to be a separate game/account. I just can't imagine the size requirements for a 400billion star universe etc.

 

[bamber]

This analogy makes no sense whatsoever.

nor does complaining about a lack of offline mode in an excellent game - yet here we are ......on page 19

 

[littleminxundr]

Star Citizen was on the Spectrum? Now that I would like to see!

Soz, I seem to have jumbled my sentences there. I was kinda thinking about two things at once. See here the drawbacks of female multitasking.

 

[Darkmatter]

Well a lot of early backers paid £200 and at the time the game was being advertised as having a fully offline mode at release. So it should be the full amount. Otherwise it fits the profile of a bait and switch scam.

Unless they reverse on this, they can pretty much kiss their good reputation goodbye.

Nope, don't agree. There might have been wordings that could be interpreted as an intent to include an offline mode in the retail version of the game. There was never any such intent clearly stated for offline mode to be included in the alpha or beta phases. So, the retail game should be refunded, not the alpha or beta access.

 

[Swan]

I guess this means that if a subscription model is ever implemented because of the obvious increase in server costs this would cause, then it'd be a case of having to pay or not play at all.

 

[Sylv3r]

My thoughts exactly, perhaps in the future (after release) they can dedicate their efforts in creating a canned universe that can run from the client's computer but that would have to be a separate game/account. I just can't imagine the size requirements for a 400billion star universe etc.

Dunno but i hope for it Btw yes we have an amazing game thats for sure.
Frontier has allways heard us, i am confident they will look at it later, just a bit disapointed for the moment, but life continue

 

[Skeloton]

And there goes my dream of ing about with cheat engine to give me max money. Buying an anaconda fitting it out and just having hectic fun somewhere. Good old Space based GTA madness.

Its not a cheat in SP but a game modifier then the only one im cheating is myself