The Open v Solo v Groups thread

[Brrokk]

futile fallacy. The bubble has 20k populated systems. There are less active players than populated systems. And there are VARIOUS ways of instancing:
EDO open
EDO pg
EDH4 open
EDH4 pg
EDPC3.8 open
EDPC3.8 pg
EDX1 open
EDX1 pg
EDPS4 open
EDPS4 pg
solo

So even if you had six figures in concurrent player count, it will be stretched thin safe for specific hotspots such as engineers or CG locations.

The universe of ED is FAR larger than any themepark or sandbox MMO, even larger than EVE

That could be the real issue here. I think Sionkursk might be thinking of typical MMOs where you log in and meet other players immediately in some kind of social hub.

In ED the galaxy is mind-bogglingly vast compared to the player base. The apparent emptiness is not just because of modes and instancing. If you want to meet other players you really have to arrange it. Joining a squadron and using Discord could help with this.

 

[conan02]

Seems as people forgot what is "sandbox" game. I think so people gets lazy and picky, wants new features but forget so entire game world is one great feature - delivering all resources for gamers initiatives and ideas.

 

[Ettanin]

In ED the galaxy is mind-bogglingly vast compared to the player base. The apparent emptiness is not just because of modes and instancing. If you want to meet other players you really have to arrange it. Joining a squadron and using Discord could help with this.

And then people wonder why multiplayer is an afterthought in No Man's Sky.

 

[Darrack]

There is no difference between an open closed game

You have Open mode, it has everything you have been moaning about - knock yourself out

In the online game emptiness!!! and it shouldn't be, I came to the game for an online game and I didn't get it like many

What do you expect there's Billions of systems, can you spot me 10K LYs out? didn't think so

The game went down

Working fine for me

You can leave the group game, close everything else and leave the influence on BGS and powerplay and tell everyone, we have interesting online game modes here

I knew the game was promising, but alas

Other games are available but you will find this is by far the best Space Sim out there.

O7

 

[Ettanin]

There would still be empty systems (400 billion) if everyone on planet earth (close to 8 billion people) played Elite Dangerous in all the same mode (including console players crossplaying with PC if that was added in) at the same time.

 

[Old Duck]

What do you expect there's Billions of systems, can you spot me 10K LYs out? didn't think so

As a Horizons 3.8 player, I'm strongly considering going back through my encounters (contacts) list and adding everyone to my friends list. We holdouts are unique breed, so we should all be friends. Seeing a bunch of green player icons on the galaxy map will make the game at least feel a bit more populated.

 

[Dragsham]

Did a spate of on foot and ship engineering. Meant idk a dozen or so stops. And on only one occasion, did l see a cmdr (in open obviously). At Todd's place, I was there for rails.
Just one cmdr in a dozen or so engineer visits.
That's telling.
Admittedly I didn't visit deciat, wasn't on my list.
There's a problem in Open. Saying there isn't is wrong. It's depopulation is palpable. Even the Gankers have gone!
Solo offers unfettered access to the game. So why on earth play Open? Because some of us WANT to see other cmdrs other than specifically wing related.
Passers by.
Haulers going about their business. Bounty hunters. Pirates etc in less secure areas.
The game is empty. A huge void... where their could be a really cool vibrant community. Yeah the distances I hear you. But there's more than 1 way to skin a cat.
Just saying keep an open mind. Pun intended.

P.s not advocating pvp I'm talking about anything to pull us together. Outlaw ganking idc I don't do it.
But anything that can create a safer galactic community is a good thing. Only accomplished in Open

 

[Robert Maynard]

A huge void... where their could be a really cool vibrant community.

One problem with Open, from the perspective of players who don't enjoy PvP, is that it's PvP-enabled - so any player that one instances with might choose to shoot.

In defence of those who choose to shoot, it is their right to do so - however it's also the right of players who don't enjoy being shot at by other players not to play among them, or block them as they see fit.

But anything that can create a safer galactic community is a good thing. Only accomplished in Open

As long as players can damage other players in the same instance there will be reason enough not to play in Open, for some players at least.

 

[Darrack]

Did a spate of on foot and ship engineering. Meant idk a dozen or so stops. And on only one occasion, did l see a cmdr (in open obviously). At Todd's place, I was there for rails.
Just one cmdr in a dozen or so engineer visits.
That's telling.
Admittedly I didn't visit deciat, wasn't on my list.
There's a problem in Open. Saying there isn't is wrong. It's depopulation is palpable. Even the Gankers have gone!
Solo offers unfettered access to the game. So why on earth play Open? Because some of us WANT to see other cmdrs other than specifically wing related.
Passers by.
Haulers going about their business. Bounty hunters. Pirates etc in less secure areas.
The game is empty. A huge void... where their could be a really cool vibrant community. Yeah the distances I hear you. But there's more than 1 way to skin a cat.
Just saying keep an open mind. Pun intended.

P.s not advocating pvp I'm talking about anything to pull us together. Outlaw ganking idc I don't do it.
But anything that can create a safer galactic community is a good thing. Only accomplished in Open

Open PVE mode would solve it all, see you there mate

O7

 

[Dragsham]

I agree... Open pve only. Absolutely.

And to reward those who gank, their consigned to anarchy or unoccupied systems or at best low security systems. Assuming their notorious.
Cant agree more.. we don't need or want gankers ruining our day. Yup 100% agree.
But what about the good pvpers. The ones who don't gank. Who understand the concept of honour and respect from their peers. Will they also be hidden like their darker cousins? Remember a ganker gets destroyed by one of these pvpers.
There's a difference.
Just think if this is to be resolved it needs to take into account ALL. Not just the 2 opposite camps.
Until C&p is radically altered in favour of drastic punishment for those who commit murder, were not able to progress in any meaningful way.
Crime isn't soft.
Why treat it as such? More hardline attitude is sought hehe.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Just think if this is to be resolved it needs to take into account ALL. Not just the 2 opposite camps.

Open includes all - and it doesn't work, for some players, due to it being PvP-enabled.

Not seeing how the needs of both groups of players can be accommodated in a single Open mode - unless those players who don't enjoy PvP would still be expected to tolerate it?

 

[darkbanefox]

Open includes all - and it doesn't work, for some players, due to it being PvP-enabled.

Not seeing how the needs of both groups of players can be accommodated in a single Open mode - unless those players who don't enjoy PvP would still be expected to tolerate it?

This is a good summation of your perspective. One which ignores the needs on anyone else other than yourself (some would say selfish). One which is very intro spective to the extreme of I don't like X so X should never exist. And one which offers little if any room to compromise or agree on any form of middle ground.

I appreciate my discussions in the thread in the past, but I have little desire to attempt providing or offering solutions to a group that has such hardline stances.

Best of luck, likely won't ever see you in the black due to your preferences.

 

[Ettanin]

when hardliners collide

 

[varonica]

This is a good summation of your perspective. One which ignores the needs on anyone else other than yourself (some would say selfish). One which is very intro spective to the extreme of I don't like X so X should never exist. And one which offers little if any room to compromise or agree on any form of middle ground.

I appreciate my discussions in the thread in the past, but I have little desire to attempt providing or offering solutions to a group that has such hardline stances.

Best of luck, likely won't ever see you in the black due to your preferences.

X already exists and no-one is trying to take it away, but indeed you are trying to get rid of Y and force all Y players to play X, surely this is the ultimate selfishness, you already have everything you want, but won't rest until you take away what other people want.

 

[Robert Maynard]

This is a good summation of your perspective. One which ignores the needs on anyone else other than yourself (some would say selfish).

More or less selfish than those who propose to PvP-gate existing pan-modal game content in a game where PvP is optional?

One which is very intro spective to the extreme of I don't like X so X should never exist. And one which offers little if any room to compromise or agree on any form of middle ground.

If that were the case then there would be repeated proposals to remove PvP completely from the game - which is not what is happening here. What is sought, by those who propose to PvP-gate content, is to remove that content from those that don't present themselves to be shot at by other players - which is not a compromise, it's a feature grab.

 

[Dragsham]

Pvp is a popular activity. In fact there's games online that millions of players partake in.
Odyssey is an fps shooter. Essentially.
Oh yeah it can be done solo. But it's not at its best unless you've cmdrs each side of the on foot cz.

Which begs the Question.
Why would frontier design their latest DC around pvp? Its counterstrike with space doods.
Frontier clearly know something we don't know.
That pvp attracts players. More players than what solo attracts. Their entire Odyssey is geared towards em. Only they didn't come because it can be circumvented in solo on an equal basis.
To the pvpers out there. Yup your right. Wrong game to pvp in. Try SC or some other title. Whilst elite dies a death.
That's what frontier knew. That's why they created an fps shooter.
Solo holds this game back.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Pvp is a popular activity. In fact there's games online that millions of players partake in.
Odyssey is an fps shooter. Essentially.
Oh yeah it can be done solo. But it's not at its best unless you've cmdrs each side of the on foot cz.

Which begs the Question.
Why would frontier design their latest DC around pvp? Its counterstrike with space doods.
Frontier clearly know something we don't know.

While PvP is possible on foot, it's just as required as it is in the rest of the game, that is to say not at all.

.... and teams of players can play together co-operatively in Private Groups, no PvP required as part of multi-player.

That pvp attracts players. More players than what solo attracts. Their entire Odyssey is geared towards em. Only they didn't come because it can be circumvented in solo on an equal basis.

Any numbers to support that numerical assumption?

.... also it seems to ignore Private Groups - all the benefits of multi-player (apart from the unlimited population of Open) without the drawbacks.

To the pvpers out there. Yup your right. Wrong game to pvp in. Try SC or some other title. Whilst elite dies a death.
That's what frontier knew. That's why they created an fps shooter.
Solo holds this game back.

Maybe from the perspective of players who enjoy PvP and can't accept that others don't need to play among them to enjoy the game their way - not so much from the perspective of those with little or no interest in PvP, in a game sold to all where PvP is (still) an optional extra in all in-game features.

 

[Dragsham]

Robert you missed quoting me about the fact that odyssey, is designed around pvp. And coop pvp is still pvp so wing related rebuttle is really meh

 

[Robert Maynard]

Robert you missed quoting me about the fact that odyssey, is designed around pvp. And coop pvp is still pvp so wing related rebuttle is really meh

Possibly because it's an opinion - not a fact - simply because no player requires to present themself to be engaged in PvP when engaged in Odyssey content. It certainly offers opportunities for players to engage in PvP, just like the rest of the game but, like the rest of the game, the PvP remains optional.

Similarly, co-op, by it's nature, does not require PvP - players can engage in combative content on the same team with no player opposition.

 

[Dragsham]

But that's not how it's intended. Your simply sticking to your guns.

Fact is the dc is a pvp orientated add on.
That's a fact
They did it cos that's where the money Is. Frontier did that not you nor l. They see the game dying in its current format. Hence their huge effort to encourage pvpers in.