1000 Subscribers - and a bad taste

[Palaber1984]

The solution is simple. Why frontier don't build something like a watermark inside the blueprints? Or anything else like that? For example. When build something on my own it has its own digital fingerprints. So the game should be tell us, if we want to upload something existing one than, we have to change maybe 30% of the pieces of that build before uploading this.

If I build something with 1000 pieces and share it. And another downloads it and deletes 5 pieces or add 5 piece, or just replace 5 pieces than the game should know that, and because it's being over steam, this should be no problem. Before uploading, steam checks this one and make shure it isn't a copy.

 

[gynoid]

That is exactly what i ment. Whats the main reason for them to upload their stuff? To share the work they did with people who appreciate? Or to stroke their own ego?
If those people quit sharing because a few people "steal" their credit's then he's a prime example of the last category i think.

Im not a great creator myself, so i don't think my stuff will be duplicated too much anyway [tongue]. But IF it did, why would i care? I created it because it looked good in my park, and i shared it because some nice people might enjoy my work as well, but why should it have my name on it? It's the nice and respectfull thing to credit me, but if they don't it will never ever be the reason i quit sharing. Nor will i complain about it because my main reason is to "share the enjoyment" and not to "get credit's".

The only reason i have agains't re-uploading is that it floods the workshop, but i really don't care if my work get's "stolen". Once again, it didn't cost me any money [wink]
(That said, giving credit IS the right thing to do, but don't make a fuss or lose any sleep if someone doesn't credit you.. what goes around comes around they say, just ignore it)

In the art world, the same problem as here exists: art theft. People will go out of their way to trace entire pieces of art to repost or claim they edited someone's art to 'share' it and help direct attention to the original artist. There's a buttload of traced and stolen art that just floats around like that. Usually people justify it by saying you should be flattered someone thought you high enough to steal your art, but it's more like spitting on what you do by saying I don't care enough about you or what you do to consider what I'm actually doing. Yes, this is true, this is a video game, people are going to do whatever they want as they do in the art world (and games are pure fun, not so in the art world), but I don't think being frustrated with people taking what you do and reposting should be considered 'wanting an ego stroke'. If you've genuinely spent a few hours doing something and your end product is X or Y thing and someone takes that X or Y thing to share as their own work, which took no effort at all to re-share, wouldn't that feel pretty terrible? Even so, I don't think wanting attention for what you do is a bad thing.

But eh. I don't know.

 

[Abletudu]

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[Vampiro]

In the art world, the same problem as here exists: art theft. People will go out of their way to trace entire pieces of art to repost or claim they edited someone's art to 'share' it and help direct attention to the original artist. There's a buttload of traced and stolen art that just floats around like that. Usually people justify it by saying you should be flattered someone thought you high enough to steal your art, but it's more like spitting on what you do by saying I don't care enough about you or what you do to consider what I'm actually doing. Yes, this is true, this is a video game, people are going to do whatever they want as they do in the art world (and games are pure fun, not so in the art world), but I don't think being frustrated with people taking what you do and reposting should be considered 'wanting an ego stroke'. If you've genuinely spent a few hours doing something and your end product is X or Y thing and someone takes that X or Y thing to share as their own work, which took no effort at all to re-share, wouldn't that feel pretty terrible? Even so, I don't think wanting attention for what you do is a bad thing.

But eh. I don't know.

Some very valid points [happy]

Like i said before, i fully agree that crediting the right people is probably the right thing to do, it's a matter of respect.

At the same time i feel we might just differ opinions a littlebit. When it comes to art, its in most cases also a matter on income and money or portfolio. If thats the case i fully agree, as you are basically stealing someone's money by stealing his work.
But in the case of blueprints you don't steal money or income, you only re-use what someone else uploaded with the intention that other people will be using it.
And maybe you are right, wanting attention for what you do might not be bad. And if thats your way of thinking i can understand you would get irritated when people "steal" your work.

I think this is where we differ, im not looking for attention with the stuff i build. I build it for myself in the first place, because it looks good in MY park. (maybe im just a selfisch guy)
And after that i upload it just in case someone else might think it would look good in their parks as well. And im totally fine to whatever they do with it. (maybe im not so selfisch [tongue])

Guess we might have to agree to disagree, even tough we fully agree that giving credit to the original creator is the right thing to do. [wink] And it's a very difficult matter to discuss. Thats why i will quit this discussion now as i feel i don't have very valid reason's to "prove" that im right. And as such i should just talk for myself and say I don't mind if my stuff is altered but i should not talk for others, as i can understand they DO care (partially because you gave some very valid reasons, i somewhat have to admit my defeat even tough my personal opinion hasn't changed).

 

[Spanky]

Have you read the Steam Subscriber Agreement?

- Workshop Contributions are Subscriptions, and therefore you agree that any Subscriber receiving distribution of your Workshop Contribution will have the same rights to use your Workshop Contribution (and will be subject to the same restrictions) as are set out in this Agreement for any other Subscriptions.

If you don't want that anyone share your content, just don't load it up.

 

[Abletudu]

I also found this at: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4506-DGHX-5190&l=

The artwork you post must be your own creation. Do not post the work of other people. Instead, please encourage them to post it. This clearly means don't steal someone else's work, only in a nice way.

 

[Life Paused]

Firstly I would like to thank Hexer0 for your uploads. They have been wonderful for my western themed park.

Unfortually people will copy and change your work and repost it. It happens a lot with all steam games which have uploadable content.

the 30% would be great but I cannot see steam implementing this.

 

[simension]

Hello,

I prefer to give credit where credit is honestly earned by the creators own work and creativity and I prefer to get credit instead of someone else, where it was my work. It is all about fairness!

Remember it's all free stuff we do for fun and enjoyment. No actuall money or recources are being stolen

It's reputation being stolen. And you are wrong that it is not money being stolen: If you run a Youtube channel or a Website stolen reputation is also stolen money: Had the User found your creation in place of the stolen content you might have won another user for your channel / blog resulting in better ad income. You might just game for fun because you have another source of income. I depend on the income of my web projects and therefore on my reputation - others might as well. Let alone the money "just" stolen reputation is not okay either.

Whats the main reason for them to upload their stuff? To share the work they did with people who appreciate? Or to stroke their own ego?
If those people quit sharing because a few people "steal" their credit's then he's a prime example of the last category i think.

Well... if you ask for the main reason of uploaders from unique content... what about asking for the main reason of those who are stealing. Is it because they love to share their moved tree within a piece of art another human put tons of work, creativity and time into? No! I think the reuploaders do it to get reputation based on someone elses work. That's pretty piteous!
It's not them who upload and share their hard work who do wrong.

My creations aren't that great either, but if I did (hopefully in the future) make something really incredible and posted it on the workshop for others to use, I would expect receiving credit where credit is due, not to stroke my ego but that is only common courtesy.

I agree with that! I like to give credits to great creations and I surely would delete my credits afterwards finding out, it's not this persons work.

The solution is simple. Why frontier don't build something like a watermark inside the blueprints? Or anything else like that?

This sounds easier as it might be. EA does so in Sims 4 and this system is very buggy and easily to overcome. I would prefer Frontier to put all their work into game features and not into theft prevention.

I just hope the community is going to be strong and does not credit thieves. It is a steam workshop problem anyway and steam itself should implement more options to prevent theft...

 

[Crowdpleaser]

A Watermark will not help. As soon as you download it you can plonk it in your Park. Then when you select it with the Multiselector and save it as a Blueprint, the Game will treat it as a new Saved Object. I don't think there is really a way around it.