2.1 for pc , what are you doing for xbox community ?

[AkimuMC]

Its a patch with server side fixes and changes

You don't NEED Battlefield Premium for Patches as well.

@Trent, we share the same BGS as pc, any changes in BGS is for all platforms, since, they will NEVER separate us. Relax mate, it'll be alright.

Right... I'm with you, but a server side patch isn't usually designated "v2.1" and when a version designation is changed, it generally includes features for the said version. Hence, 2.0 would be required to get 2.1.

So no, you don't need premium for patches in battlefield, but to get the new maps or features you do need the expansions... We don't have the option to get the expansion, so how are we to access the new features?

 

[Abigor]

can someone from Frontier please explain this once and for all "do we need Horizon to play 2.1 update ?"

 

[DustyArne]

Right... I'm with you, but a server side patch isn't usually designated "v2.1" and when a version designation is changed, it generally includes features for the said version. Hence, 2.0 would be required to get 2.1.

So no, you don't need premium for patches in battlefield, but to get the new maps or features you do need the expansions... We don't have the option to get the expansion, so how are we to access the new features?

The anwser is in your question buddy.


Obviouslu, we will never be able to use the Horizon content till we get Horizons, but any change in the base game we get the same time as the guys on PC.

If this was not the case, everybody without Horizons, and believe me, there are a lot of pc gamers that don't own Horizons, will have to deal with a game that isn't patched/changed anymore.

All the changes made to the game, will be released the same day on all platforms because we all play on the same simulator, only the features that needs horizon, wont unlock, till we get horizons.

A change in the Bullitin Board isn't horizons related. Engineers, is horizons related, so yes, we wont be able to use the engineers, but, we can't use them anyway because we arn't able to mine for crafting materials aswell. (Unless they are buyable on the commodity market)

You might remember that with Battlefield Premium, a 2.5mb DLC, you "unlocked" a lot of stuff non Premium members didn't had acces to, but, they all played the same version of Battlefield, with the same tweaks in hitpoints, the same stability fixes, the same weapon tweaks ect ect.

 

[Doc_Holiday]

This is starting to feel like the wait for A Song of Ice and Fire, the Winds of Winter.

 

[AkimuMC]

The anwser is in your question buddy.


Obviouslu, we will never be able to use the Horizon content till we get Horizons, but any change in the base game we get the same time as the guys on PC.

If this was not the case, everybody without Horizons, and believe me, there are a lot of pc gamers that don't own Horizons, will have to deal with a game that isn't patched/changed anymore.

All the changes made to the game, will be released the same day on all platforms because we all play on the same simulator, only the features that needs horizon, wont unlock, till we get horizons.

A change in the Bullitin Board isn't horizons related. Engineers, is horizons related, so yes, we wont be able to use the engineers, but, we can't use them anyway because we arn't able to mine for crafting materials aswell. (Unless they are buyable on the commodity market)

You might remember that with Battlefield Premium, a 2.5mb DLC, you "unlocked" a lot of stuff non Premium members didn't had acces to, but, they all played the same version of Battlefield, with the same tweaks in hitpoints, the same stability fixes, the same weapon tweaks ect ect.

Again, I am totally with you. However, my understanding is that anything designated "v2.1" will not be accessible unless you have "v2.0". Bug fixes are bug fixes and affect the core game. If the bug fixes warrant a designation, at this point they would be "v1.6 or v1.51" for us. That doesn't mean that those bug fixes aren't compatable with the update that is designated "v.2.1", but that certainly does not give us access to "v2.1" either...

 

[GSRTrent]

Scrolling around the forums, I've gathered the only thing that the PC has to XB1 community is Horizons. For w/e reasons it was delayed, and continues to be delayed, its the only thing that PC has received over us. Please correct me if I'm wrong. With that said, I ​believe (holy hell the forums needs bug reporting...I can't un-italicize through selection or ctrl-I) that we will be receiving this major game update same day as PC. Especially with the affects its going to have on BGS and BBs across the habited galaxy.

Horizons
Paint jobs
bobble heads
2.1
Better external camera modes
Private group mode

Just to name a few.

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You seem to misunderstand what 2.1 is. It's simply not possible to have 2.1 without having Horizons, since 2.1 is an update for Horizons (2.0). When 2.0/Season 2/Horizons launches on xb1, it will launch with whatever the most up to date version is (2.1/2.2 etc... whatever stage it's currently at).

The additional features coming in 2.1 are part of the Horizons update and are what Horizons players payed for. They won't be coming for non Horizons players whichever platform they're on. If they did, frontier would have a lot of angry players. Any basic bug fixes/mission fixes will filter through to 1.5/base game though.

There's every posibility that 2.1 and xb1 Horizons will launch simultaneously like 1.5 did.

If you read the update notes for 2.1 it doesn't seem like you need Horizons. It's the addition of the engineers and you don't need to land on planets for that.

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It also talks about the addition of HUGE weapons. Why would we need Horizons for that?

 

[Guywired]

I seem to remember Zac mentioning last week that the 'goal' was to have both PC and Xbox in the versions of the game with release 2.2

So I would think we would still get 2.1, but not at the same time as PC does.

OH, and I think his comment also implied that 2.2 would be the Xbox Horizons release.

Zac, any light you want to shed here, man?

 

[DustyArne]

Horizons
Paint jobs
bobble heads
2.1
Better external camera modes
Private group mode

Just to name a few.

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If you read the update notes for 2.1 it doesn't seem like you need Horizons. It's the addition of the engineers and you don't need to land on planets for that.

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It also talks about the addition of HUGE weapons. Why would we need Horizons for that?

Glad you saw the light mate.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

You seem to misunderstand what 2.1 is. It's simply not possible to have 2.1 without having Horizons, since 2.1 is an update for Horizons (2.0). When 2.0/Season 2/Horizons launches on xb1, it will launch with whatever the most up to date version is (2.1/2.2 etc... whatever stage it's currently at).

The additional features coming in 2.1 are part of the Horizons update and are what Horizons players payed for. They won't be coming for non Horizons players whichever platform they're on. If they did, frontier would have a lot of angry players. Any basic bug fixes/mission fixes will filter through to 1.5/base game though.

There's every posibility that 2.1 and xb1 Horizons will launch simultaneously like 1.5 did.

This. Well said Jon.

Basically, when I bought Horizons, I bought a series of updates.

Horizons, as a product, is "access to Season 2 updates." It isn't DLC like a Call of Duty map pack.

What does this mean? Well, quite bluntly, if you want any of the features sold as part of Horizons, you will have to buy Horizons to get them.

This means, that if Horizons isn't out on Xbox yet when 2.1 drops, then Xbox won't get those 2.1 specific features. As Jon said, if people who haven't bought Horizons get those features, then many, many people, will be angry with FD.

But don't fret. I get the impression that some people are worried Horizons on Xbox will be a stripped down version. It won't. It will be equal to the PC version. And if it isn't, the only reason that it would be is because the Xbox can't handle that feature. And that wouldn't be FD's fault, but Microsoft's.

 

[GG7]

How about fixing the BROKEN Bulletin Board Mission Delivery System in the meantime? I just visited THREE separate stations and there wasn't ONE mission on offer for me!

Deadly, Tycoon, Pathfinder.

WHY?

 

[DustyArne]

How about fixing the BROKEN Bulletin Board Mission Delivery System in the meantime? I just visited THREE separate stations and there wasn't ONE mission on offer for me!

Deadly, Tycoon, Pathfinder.

WHY?

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Guess what,

this whole thread is here because some dev just told us the bullitin board is going to get changed/fixed/updated/different.

Good morning...

 

[AkimuMC]

Guess what,

this whole thread is here because some dev just told us the bullitin board is going to get changed/fixed/updated/different.

Good morning...

But the dev didn't really say that... or did I miss it too?

 

[CMDR Nef]

Welp, forget what I said then, it looks like my Elite career was ended before it even began...

 

[DustyArne]

But the dev didn't really say that... or did I miss it too?

They didn't really say "We are going to fix the Bullitin board for you guys" no.

But with all the background information i have gathered, the vids on youtube about the new Bullitin Board, i kinda know for 80% sure, it will come with a more ballance mission structure aswell. Because well, the new Bullitin Board is totally different then the one we have now.

 

[Jimus]

I'm speculating, but the pattern seems to be.

PC players who bought horizons get the 2.x version of the code.
PC players who didn't buy horizons + Mac + XBOX are on the 1.x version of the code

Horizons 2.0 and Base Game 1.5 are the current releases
Horizons 2.1 and Base Game 1.6 is soon(TM)

Some new features such as Engineers, looting and crafting will be exclusive to 2.1
Some new features such as the improved missions will be available to both 2.1 and 1.6

Bug fixes will apply to both versions 2.1 and 1.6

At some point in the future, horizons will be available to XBOX CMDRs

I imagine there are a couple of issues holding up the release of Horizons on XBOX

1. Performance. the planetary generation takes it's toll on the graphics card. I own both the PC and XBOX versions. My GTX 770 2GB struggles with the PC version of horizons unless I turn the planetary detail down a lot. From what I can fathom, it's the amount of VRAM that makes the difference, rather than the speed of the GPU. PC CMDR's with GTX 770 4GB seem to have much better framerates. The graphics card in the XBOX is above the minimum spec of the PC version, but below the recommended spec, so I imagine they are trying to optimize the graphics so that people don't complain. The game looks pretty awesome on XBOX and I imagine the devs want that to continue.

2. The sales model. On Steam Horizons is sold as a separate game. You get a discount if you own the base game but Elite: Dangerous and Elite Dangerous: Horizons appear as 2 different games in your steam library. Does the XBOX store support this? I.e. can you get a automatic discount on one game if you own another? Or will they need to rethink the model and have Horizons as an upgrade.

Think positively, by the time Horizons comes to XBOX it'll contain a lot more than 2.0 did so it'll feel like a much bigger update.


EDIT:

So it looks like I missed the news. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=230150
Number 2 is sorted. From tomorrow Horizons will be sold on Steam and the FD store as a DLC add on, rather than a separate game. This should make things simpler in XBOX land as well. If you own the base game you can pay extra to add Horizons. If you want Horizons you need to buy the base game.

Now they just need to optimize those shaders

 

[Deleted member 110222]

As far as I've been told, this is an evolving game, and purchasing Horizons is only to give you access to planetary landings. Everyone else still has access to every update, the only difference here, is that they can make certain stuff planetside only. Everyone will have access to multi-crew, fighter bays, crafting, C4 weapons, engineers, etc, BUT. They could make it where only planetary bases/outposts sell fighter bays, or C4 weapons, or you can only find Urianium or something planetside for crafting/engineers only live on planets, etc. Unless they say something like, "Engineers can only be found planetside." then as far as I've been told, everyone gets everything with each new patch unless they make it planetside only.

Nope. Horizons is a series of updates, starting with landings. There'll be more for Horizons over the year.

EDIT: Though you're right, they'll probably involve planetary activities somewhere.

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I'm speculating, but the pattern seems to be.

PC players who bought horizons get the 2.x version of the code.
PC players who didn't buy horizons + Mac + XBOX are on the 1.x version of the code

Horizons 2.0 and Base Game 1.5 are the current releases
Horizons 2.1 and Base Game 1.6 is soon(TM)

Some new features such as Engineers, looting and crafting will be exclusive to 2.1
Some new features such as the improved missions will be available to both 2.1 and 1.6

Bug fixes will apply to both versions 2.1 and 1.6

At some point in the future, horizons will be available to XBOX CMDRs

I imagine there are a couple of issues holding up the release of Horizons on XBOX

1. Performance. the planetary generation takes it's toll on the graphics card. I own both the PC and XBOX versions. My GTX 770 2GB struggles with the PC version of horizons unless I turn the planetary detail down a lot. From what I can fathom, it's the amount of VRAM that makes the difference, rather than the speed of the GPU. PC CMDR's with GTX 770 4GB seem to have much better framerates. The graphics card in the XBOX is above the minimum spec of the PC version, but below the recommended spec, so I imagine they are trying to optimize the graphics so that people don't complain. The game looks pretty awesome on XBOX and I imagine the devs want that to continue.

2. The sales model. On Steam Horizons is sold as a separate game. You get a discount if you own the base game but Elite: Dangerous and Elite Dangerous: Horizons appear as 2 different games in your steam library. Does the XBOX store support this? I.e. can you get a automatic discount on one game if you own another? Or will they need to rethink the model and have Horizons as an upgrade.

Think positively, by the time Horizons comes to XBOX it'll contain a lot more than 2.0 did so it'll feel like a much bigger update.

I think you're right on the VRAM there. My 960 is a 4GB version, and frankly it aces Horizons on high settings at a steady 60 fps.

 

[CMDR Nef]

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[Deleted member 110222]

Yes, I already know that Horizons is a series of updates, but you seriously think that every single game improvement from now until 2017 is going to be for Horizons only? How they going to do that? Make it so you can only party up planetside? Only sell hangers planetside? Only sell tier 4 weapons planetside? Only let you see the faces of minor factions if you're on a planetary base? Only sell the new ships at planetary bases? Seems like that would kill the space portion of the game, and make a large portion of their playerbase leave...

Depends on FD's business model. That's their decision to make, not mine. I'm only speculating.

 

[CMDR Nef]

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[Jimus]

As far as I've been told, this is an evolving game, and purchasing Horizons is only to give you access to planetary landings. Everyone else still has access to every update, the only difference here, is that they can make certain stuff planetside only. Everyone will have access to multi-crew, fighter bays, crafting, C4 weapons, engineers, etc, BUT. They could make it where only planetary bases/outposts sell fighter bays, or C4 weapons, or you can only find Urianium or something planetside for crafting/engineers only live on planets, etc. Unless they say something like, "Engineers can only be found planetside." then as far as I've been told, everyone gets everything with each new patch unless they make it planetside only.

I think you're going to be disappointed. The release is called "2.1 Engineers" which shows that they are a feature of that release. Horizons isn't going to be just planetside stuff. Multi-crew, fighter bays etc will be Horizons exclusive. Engineers have already been confirmed to be Planetside only, at least to start off with. Some stuff will be back ported to 1.6 for example mission and bulletin board improvements look like they are being added to the base game.