Thats 100% true.
I can live with all the awesome DDF ideas not being used...
But going against the original vision , the one in the vids... just feels off.
2.2's Instant Ship and Module Transport - Yay or Nay?
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I can live with all the awesome DDF ideas not being used...
But going against the original vision , the one in the vids... just feels off.
Robert Maynard
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.... and how would a "not accessible before" timer differ from this? It would be functionally the same as applying a fine for a failed mission.
The player will only need to wait until the "mission" expires and then, instead of a fine, they are rewarded with a ship in the chosen destination.
Regardless of whether there is a delay or not, the functionality to move ships to a particular location needs to be implemented, along with taking the fee for the transfer. Adding a "not available before" timer to the ship storage system does not seem too challenging in that context.
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Robert Maynard
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Not fussed if it is a summon or send - if there is a finite delay involved.
The proposal for a send option was to create a delay that the player could not avoid - as they would require to travel to the destination to get into their ship that had travelled there instantly.
So , ships could have fixed time and work as if it was a mission.
We are still living the turds of the past. This turd however, this one cannot be allowed. It must be flushed.
Folks, a timer is just a date/time field on a database record. That's it. The client simply checks that field to determine if the ship "has arrived". No big deal.
With none of these figures representing 100% of the playerbase, or even 100% of people who took the poll. It's a multiple choice tickbox poll, and likely many people picked several of the options, or less than they intended. I mean, we've got 69% saying they want transfers, and 2% saying they don't, so I guess there's another 29% voting for "I'm bad at reading the entire thing before clicking."
Hey Verax, I have noticed that most of the few posts that defend insta-transfer are yours. You must feel kind of alone here
Its turning into a river of turds!
Okay, except now you're tying a player asset to a timer, and if the player starts moving around and progressively adds more and more assets to more and more timers, you get a situation where the database gets clogged with a ton of temporal entries (something Sandro is trying to avoid, if you start having lots and lots of ships in transit - "Stateful" ships - the database size could start growing in fun ways). So the only way it works is if the timer is REALLY short, like, 5 mins or so tops. In which case there's no point having a timer at all.
If you query sends as one-to-many (as that's what they would be as a CPU problem), well, you're generating so much CPU overhead that the AWS bill for the month is going to "Blow players faces off"
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To all those 'wanting to wait/have a delay':
Pick up the phone and call a business and get put on hold. That'd be fun wouldn't it!
This change DOES NOT SHRINK THE GALAXY! You'd still have to fly your ships
It DOES NOT VIOLATE THE SPIRIT OF THE ORIGINAL ELITE! That was the 80's this is 30 years later. Are you still waiting for the new millennium? Cause waiting is fun!
If instant ship transfer break your imersion: set an alarm for the time you personally think is right. Don't inflict a pedantic desire to have everything realistic in a science FICTION based game on those that don't want it.
Pick up the phone and call a business and get put on hold. That'd be fun wouldn't it!
This change DOES NOT SHRINK THE GALAXY! You'd still have to fly your ships
It DOES NOT VIOLATE THE SPIRIT OF THE ORIGINAL ELITE! That was the 80's this is 30 years later. Are you still waiting for the new millennium? Cause waiting is fun!
If instant ship transfer break your imersion: set an alarm for the time you personally think is right. Don't inflict a pedantic desire to have everything realistic in a science FICTION based game on those that don't want it.
Unfortunately, looking at the chorus of applause 'InstaShip™ brought to you by 'SpaceMagic™ (just add water!) has received on Reddit and certain Facebook groups, we may really just be a vocal minority. :/
Thats a good idea, a simple re-purposing of an already in place game mechanic to good effect.
However I dont think the implementation is the issue, they said it themselves in the livestream, its a gameplay design decision. They just dont think (rightly or wrongly) that forcing people to wait for 10's of minutes or hours to get their ships is practical.
I like the "idea" of having to wait as it is unarguably more realistic, but I think making it more accessible is a better design choice. YMMV.
I think the real balance will come down to how much it costs. Get you Beta feedback ready!
Yaffle
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No, as discussed above in all games death of the player is a special case. It's not trying to remove fun, it's trying to maintain some form of lore consistency and keeping the game's reason to be - namely to travel.
Personally I'd prefer a bit more to the death mechanism; I like the Sunless Sea approach, and you die a lot in that game.
If those people get their way, they would reduce this game to press W to win.
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We NEED it to be based on ship stats. Else everyone will just D rate their fsd in their corvette for heat management and laugh at insta transfer.
Make it plot the course. (Using current jump range) Then take number of jumps and multiply by 75 seconds each jump. At the end of that timer, have it appear outside the station and dock. After docking, it's available.
And who WOULDNT love to see their ship show up and fly through the slot. You see it and go "that's mine!"
Instant is game breakingly bad.
Make it plot the course. (Using current jump range) Then take number of jumps and multiply by 75 seconds each jump. At the end of that timer, have it appear outside the station and dock. After docking, it's available.
And who WOULDNT love to see their ship show up and fly through the slot. You see it and go "that's mine!"
Instant is game breakingly bad.
Wrong. That "straw poll" that has the same result as the first two choices in the forum poll. "Do you want ship transfers?" Yes/No. If they left out the "instant" they'd get the same result, because of course people want ship transfers. That's not the question!!!
The question is, should they be instant?? And that Reddit straw poll fails to ask that question.
But on this forum poll, they actually give the option to say you don't want it to instant, and guess what? 78% do not want it to be instant.
Also straw polls are extremely easy to cheat. Nothing on Elite Reddit ever gets above a few hundred upvotes, let alone THOUSANDS.
Transport (and storage!) YAY!
But it should take as long as it would take someone doing this spaceship flying thing full time to get there.
i.e. it took me 2 weeks to get to Jaques, in ~ 24 hrs of game time. So say 1 day to get my to get my Asp to Jaques (and 2 days to get my python back to the bubble)
But it should take as long as it would take someone doing this spaceship flying thing full time to get there.
i.e. it took me 2 weeks to get to Jaques, in ~ 24 hrs of game time. So say 1 day to get my to get my Asp to Jaques (and 2 days to get my python back to the bubble)
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