2 hours wasted.

Bigmaec

Bigmaec
A type-9 with a 5C biweave is a paper ship.
If you disconnect inside an asteroid field you have to escape the mass lock of the asteroids, and considering
the Type 9 is slow as hell, you are under fire quite a lot of time.
I can understand that spawn logic in the asteroids is annoying, but it is predictable and you can escape with a sturdy hull and a somewhat
better shield.

My Type-9 uses a class 7 prismatic and a military grade hull with 1200 mj shields and 2500 hull points, and I'm not even afraid of open in it.
 

Ephraim Stone

Ephraim Stone
For what it's worth I'd look at the T10 for mining.

The T9 looks thematically correct, but class 5 shields just arent tough enough on that ship.

With a T10 you'll have some hard points left for defense, far better armour, and get a prismatic on there for good measure.
 

NCFCpaul

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Slightly different ship but I'm hauling tritium in my Conda, I have a nice Prismatic shield which generates 3500mj of protection and I run a few weapons too. It would take a well equipped pvp ship to take me out before I could run. NPC's are always toast.

So I also got dumped by the server, also had three hostiles attack me. The T9 can easily fit a few weapons and still mine just as my Conda can still trade safely
 

[VR] Chris

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Stabby_Dave said:
I was trying to. That's SOP. My FSD didn't get a chance to charge.
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mass locked by the rings eh, i know it sucks but
Vardaugas said:
They don't always spawn. It's just a roll on the random encounter table whenever you exit supercruise in a location, be it a belt or planet. Some of the are pirates, some bounty hunters, some security and often enough, nothing at all. Makes little sense when you're logging in, however. There shouldn't be a random encounter on log-in.
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i always assume always.. ;)
 

Ashnak

Ashnak
Stabby_Dave said:
Mining in a 5c bi weave T9. Dunno what ships. was over too fast. Just 3 red diamonds. Was in solo, all pips to shields. Was dead before FSD charged.
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sigh
A 5c bi-weave T-9, assuming nothing else over default loadout, has a thermal shield strength of 84 MJ. A single small pulse laser (i.e. half a sidewinder) can crack that shield in 12 seconds.
"Greedy" in this context means you got a big ship for long mining sessions without taking at least minimum precautions (at least none that you wrote about). Nothing wrong with that, a lot of people do that. But if they come into DD afterwards to complain, they will get ridiculed just like you.
I'd suggest you either sacrifice some cargo space for effective protection - unengineered, a 7A shield with 4 A-rated boosters will give you 500 MJ, engineered you can get up to 2 GJ, or switch to a smaller ship (shorter sessions, cheaper rebuy = less loss).
 

Crimson Kaim

Crimson Kaim
I've heard engineered shields and armor and a basic set of combat skills are more than sufficient to survive any kind of interceptions, from NPCs and players alike.
 

777Driver

777Driver
Forget shields, if in a T9 mining build, fit a fighter, launch and boost away if you have to relog in a field.. No point using rubbish shields. For general hauling, you don't even need shields, just evade the interdict or equip some weapons.

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Old Duck

Old Duck
Stabby_Dave said:
Just did a 2 hour tritium mining session when the server threw me out. Logged back in (solo) and instantly had 3 hostiles appear right on top of me. No scan, no nothing, just boom.

That's ridiculous.

And please don't say "it's called Elite Dangerous" cos I already gently caressing know that.

/rant
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I'd submit a support ticket, since a server error is Frontier's fault. There is a good chance they'll restore your Tritium.
 

Stabby_Dave

Stabby_Dave
CMDR Nathan Atterlein said:
Did you wake out?
Yes: you had such a cardboard build that could not withstand the pressure. Needs more protection and less cargo.
No: why not?

Did you boost away from your login location?
Yes: then surely they could not immediately attack you, even more time to fsd the fock out of there. Copy paste previous outcomes here.
No: well, you should. Every instance refresh gives you a bunch of npcs in the rings. Prepare for that.

It's hard to imagine NPCs immediately opening fire (let alone, already being there) the moment you log in, without scans, etc. Been dodging NPCs for quite some time (especially during early borann), and this never happened, even in open, where entering existing instances is possible.
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5c g5 thermal resist bi weave with 2x g5 thermal resist A rated boosters.

Boosted away, but a T9 aint a greyhound.

I've never had npcs open fire straight away, either. Came as a shock to me.

More hacked off that this only occurred because of yet another server crash.
 

Juniper

Juniper
This is why I don't mine. 🤷‍♀️

You can be thousands of light years from anywhere, but NPCs still show up and inexplicably attack you.

It's a shame, because it would be a chill experience I'd enjoy otherwise.
 

Hairy Polo

Hairy Polo
Made me chuckle, sorry.
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CMDR Nathan Atterlein

CMDR Nathan Atterlein
Stabby_Dave said:
5c g5 thermal resist bi weave with 2x g5 thermal resist A rated boosters.

Boosted away, but a T9 aint a greyhound.

I've never had npcs open fire straight away, either. Came as a shock to me.

More hacked off that this only occurred because of yet another server crash.
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If you loaded with a bit of a delay, I could imagine your ship getting instanced before you fully loaded in, cutting the npc arrival time short. In that case, it's truly unfortunate, though hard to imagine. Especially in solo, since in theory, the world should center around you in that mode.
 

sabacthani

sabacthani
You have a choice when mining and outfitting. Outfit to stay and fight, or outfit to Sir Robin. I have both....I just have to remember which one I am in. Python for the Sir Robin and a Cutter to fight back.
 

LumberTubs

LumberTubs
Its a little unfair to criticise the OP for the durability of his ship in this instance I think. He presumably went into the mining session knowing that NPCs spawn, perhaps allowed himself to get scanned while he had an empty cargo hold and then set about filling it knowing that the disappointed pirates had gone back to their starving families and that he wouldn't be scanned again.

If he'd knowingly logged out and back in again then he'd only have himself to blame but that isn't what happened. If the servers do their job and remain stable, there's no reason why you can't safely mine in a shieldless stock ship with a hull made out of weetabix (in solo mode, which OP said he was in) if you know how the NPCs spawn/act (notwithstanding crashing into an asteroid but you'd only have yourself to blame for that). NPC interdictions are easily avoided on the way to selling the loot too.
 

Terekhov

Terekhov
That situation sucks, but outside of a conservative, protective build, there will always be a risk. If you are doing many mining runs, it may be that you "get away' with the "cargo ahead of protection" build, enough that the gain through doing that actually outweighs the loss of cargo space in the protective build.

It brings to mind a line from a song about West-Country "Wrecking"(*) - "and the merchant has a fleet-full of young men's lives, he can risk one-in-twenty going down".

I'm interested in the situation as a couple of times, hardware glitches have meant I've had no choice but to terminate the ED process. On return, I've high waked out immediately and managed to avoid getting caught. My build was probably been stronger than yours at that time (and not a T9/10) but (at the time) I was far from confident that it would have been enough...

Where did you re-spawn? Just outside the rings? Within Mass lock range?

Any clues in the game journals as to what happened? Sometimes I might miss pirates warnings because of the comms panel design, so in situations where i feel the need to take stock of what happened, I often go back afterwards and pick over the journals..


(* "Wrecking" was the old practice of luring tall/broad ships onto costal rocks though the use of false light signals, and plundering the goods washed ashore)
 

Deleted member 38366

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I dunno...

Everyone who has done more than 2-3 mining runs knows this can and will eventually happen.
Now that NPCs spawn out of nowhere all the time is a known issue and debated to death. ELITE is a scripted Arcade Game in that respect, that's just how things are.

So the very first thing you check are those NPC contacts that most likely will appear and check their type.
If their type is most likely hostile... that's what either the Hardpoints or the Boost function are for.

Is that really so difficult?
 
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