2 more months until Odyssey?

I agree, FDev already has plenty of experience on their own with successful and botched releases.

The thing is that ED is not a game that generates Hype in the same order of magnitude of CDPR 2077, so it's hardly comparable.
Also, expectations for Odyssey (at least from the people I play with) are really low, i.e. easy to beat.

Hype with ED comes from the fact that a lot of people see the unrealized potential and project on it at each coming updates.
ED is a rather good niche game with very limited sandbox elements. People should stop expecting more and just enjoy the ride for what it is.
Complacency kills? Stay 6 feet away from "no desire to be better".
 
I work in software development and I can assure you that WFH has had an effect on project schedules and team productivity.

Well, if you sit around half the day watching Spongebob and eating cold pizza, I suppose WFH will have an impact on productivity.

Also, try washing more than once every four days old bean, what what

Tatty Bye
 
Complacency kills? Stay 6 feet away from "no desire to be better".

It's not about not wanting the game to be better, it's about realizing that FDev has a history of delivering
rather shallow and minimalistic extension. Hoping that they'll pull of a Hellogame style 180 is not realistic.

Odyssey is about walking in station, FPS gameplay at surface outposts and taking screeshots for explorers. That's it.

Expecting more is a tad delusional given FDev track record. Ship interiors and smooth transition out ? Nope.
Exploration content beyond scaning cactus fruits and bringing back a sample ? Don't expect so. Caves ? lol no.
EVA zero G repair gameplay ? Nice idea but nope. Installing surface mining Rigs ? Would be cool but... nope.
What about building a small exploration outpost/base with inflatable modules and a small lab with relevant gameplay ?
ROFL nope.

What I'm saying is that we'll get a small number of Legs related features with amazing sound and visual design
supporting shallow gameplay. It'll be good jolly fun but not ground breaking in any way.
 
Fact is:
2014 - Paid for the game.
2015 - Paid for Horizon.
2016 - all the content free.
2017 - all the content free.
2018 - all the content free.
2019 - all the content free.
2020 - all the content free.
2021 - Paid for Odyssey.

That's all there is to it. I haven't paid anything since 2015. That's 5 years of free content for me.
Other games roll out paid DLC's every few month, paid Seasonal passes each year, paid Expansions every few year, have content gated behind cash shop, have monthly subscriptions, but in ED i got 5 years of free content, none of it required for me to pay anything again until Odyssey.

Subjective. For other people it is:

2013 - Paid for the game.
2014 - all the content free.
2015 - all the content free.
2016 - all the content free.
2017 - all the content free.
2018 - all the content free.
2019 - all the content free.
2020 - all the content free.
2021 - all the content free.
2022 - all the content free.
...

I guess Frontier never released any paid updates at all for Elite.

So let's stop splitting hairs. 2.4 is part of Horizons and was therefore paid content.

If I order something on Amazon and it arrives two days later I also don't claim it was free just because it didn't arrive the very second I clicked the order button.
 
Still arguing about what's free?

None of the updates are free. Every single second of time spent on the game is paid for, mostly by us be that via base game, expansions, LEP or ARX. Updates are updates. Whether it costs money or not is irrelevant - whether we choose to part with cash at various points over the last 6 years is all that matters. As a general rule, if we didn't do that enough then we'd not get updates.

Given I'm sure most of you should agree with this, because I'm just posting Captain Obvious stuff here... What's the point of the argument again? Maybe get back to that if it means something to you. But the willingness to self divert into a wholly directionless argument about what content is or isn't free pretty much confirms that the original discussion was pretty directionless too.

FDev have delivered, for the most part, a product on time that has been largely successful (prove it hasn't without employing opinion) with a sensibly pitched after launch update cycle that has massively expanded on their product over time. They have not particularly focused heavily on the endless cycle of bug fixing, preferring a more commonly adopted mini burst approach around launch cycles. On the other hand, they haven't particularly adopted the less commonly used method of keeping stuff in development as long as possible. Rarely has a beta lasted longer than a couple months, exceptions for pre launch obviously. They tend to launch with known issues. They don't tend to revert to development to significantly adjust entire mechanics following beta feedback. But they launch a product that infrequently results in any major negative ripples across the wider community outside of these forums (pretty much the best place to go if you want to echo chamber the most negativity possible, except Facebook but Karen posts on Facebook so who cares?).

Overall, their financial model has been a success. The game is thriving currently (more so than ever, which is rare for a 6 year old title) and although their marketing push has been steady and loud for Odyssey (and why not? It's a big change), they've been really, really careful to keep a firm lid on the hype and have drip fed us information slowly.

The estimated delivery of "early 2021" allows them a lot of wiggle room should there be delays. They've been doing this development lark for years (decades if you include their CEO's tenure, which you absolutely should) and have a pretty good track record for delivering what they proposed they would (obvious exceptions should be filed neatly under "things fdev have learned from and are unlikely to repeat with Odyssey's release cycle").

The bottom line is one of us is anxious about Odyssey's release cycle, citing both really inappropriate sources (cp2077) and more relevant ones (fdev have a history of not releasing perfect software and tend not to spend all their time fixing it) which is actually to say fdev are similar to just about any typical developer out there.

Basically, Odyssey won't be perfect. Fdev will spend several months with ongoing support for it. They won't fix everything. But other than that, what are you scared of?

And, beyond all that...

Why does it matter what updates were or weren't paid for explicitly?
 
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None of it is free? Really, even after Horizon went free to play just recently? Still claiming nothing is free?
None of it is free. Whoever did the work with Epic to update the client for the free promotion were paid. Someone paid for it and it'll generate more income (guaranteed fact) going forward. Just because x number of users don't pay anything doesn't mean the content that was given for free across a finite time frame was developed for free.

Still think this topic is in any way relevant to your original point? Even remember what it was?

If it's important to argue what updates are free, you'd need to admit that all of it is free (for some people) and so whatever wild comparisons with which you began this discussion in relation to Odyssey's launch are really irrelevant in the wider picture.
 
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I started playing in 2017, every update since has been free for me (because I had already purchased the season pass for Horizons in the bundle cost) and now I have pre-ordered Odyssey.

The argument around something being 'free' or not is fun... In 5 years or so Odyssey is equally likely to be given away free, does that mean it would never have been paid-for content, particularly if there are a couple of 'updates' included under the Odyssey umbrella in the next couple of years?

The ongoing debate just appears to be stubbornness to me ;)
 
I started playing in 2017, every update since has been free for me (because I had already purchased the season pass for Horizons in the bundle cost) and now I have pre-ordered Odyssey.

The argument around something being 'free' or not is fun... In 5 years or so Odyssey is equally likely to be given away free, does that mean it would never have been paid-for content, particularly if there are a couple of 'updates' included under the Odyssey umbrella in the next couple of years?

The ongoing debate just appears to be stubbornness to me ;)
Not really a debate is it. Not even an argument. Not when it hit the point of 'FD are wonderful because they provide so much for free - but they're also liars whose annual reports knowingly and deliberately mislead shareholders and the markets.'. 😂😂😂
 
I went looking for the ol' 'superman looking around and missing the words flying round his head' meme. Turns out that unfortunately it says 'the joke' and not 'the point'. Anyone any good at modifying gifs? It'd be very handy about now. ;)
 
So you think you are entitled to 2-3 years of free updates, because you paid 40$ for Odyssey? In todays Gaming industry, 40$ is nothing, it's 2,5 month of subscription. Genshing Impact made 300 million$ in just one month of release, with their predatory tactics and gacha system. Cyberpunk 2077 lied lied and lied through out the last 2 years, and still sold 13 million copies after all the refunds and backslash. That's pretty much 0.5 billion$.
And here we have this amazing company, that made incredibly unique game, no other game is like that, that gave us free updates since 2015, and here you are debating pennies... very disappointed in you.
I don't think I am entitled to anything, do you? At no point did I mention entitled, that is all your own creation 🤷‍♂️

...dunno if you noticed, ED isn't a subscription game - pretty much as it isn't Cyberpunk 2077 (I bought that too - on PC, of course)

I'm glad you are disappointed in me... It in no way comes close to how I feel toward you, of course, if you feel disappointment in something I didn't suggest are you able to imagine how I may perceive you?
 
You posted exactly what i posted ( timetable), then added that it's wrong with out any argument for it. You didn't even acknowledge the existence of Horizon. So what is there to address?

Any way seen we are going around the same circle over and over again, lets just end it here.

Okay, I see where the misunderstanding is. My timetable was from the perspective of someone who bought a LEP in 2013. They didn't have to pay for Horizons separately. Just like people who bought Horizons didn't have to pay extra for 2.4.
 
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