3.9 will be deleted again? when is the final headstart without whipe??

Thanks Michael for putting some context around your last quote.

In that case I am going to risk "playing" the game and take it on the chin if there is a full or partial wipe.
 
A couple of days ago I raised the possibility that there might need to be some form of wipe on release (or during gamma). This might be a full wipe, or it might be a partial one. That became complicated by people wanting a definitive answer, so the safe answer is yes. However the reality is until we've received enough feedback from gamma we don't know fully what might need fixing or tweaking.

Michael

Michael shouldn't you strengthen yourself by some beers for being well prepared for the premier then keep on working on the forums ? ;)

Hyhaa ... I am looking forward, only some hours left!
 
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I might ask for a refund if they will do another wipe after gamma. The £50 beta access version of the game has been advertised that you will get to play the Gamma as an early access version of the game. After checking around it was said there will be no wipe for Gamma testers. It's not about the money, its about the principal.

I would not mind a partial wipe, like delete all player faction standings, story, systems, discovery data, but let us keep our credits.
 
I might ask for a refund if they will do another wipe after gamma. The £50 beta access version of the game has been advertised that you will get to play the Gamma as an early access version of the game. After checking around it was said there will be no wipe for Gamma testers. It's not about the money, its about the principal.

I would not mind a partial wipe, like delete all player faction standings, story, systems, discovery data, but let us keep our credits.

I hope this is a (bad) joke?

There is always the chance of a wipe up till release..

Get over it!
 
A couple of days ago I raised the possibility that there might need to be some form of wipe on release (or during gamma). This might be a full wipe, or it might be a partial one. That became complicated by people wanting a definitive answer, so the safe answer is yes. However the reality is until we've received enough feedback from gamma we don't know fully what might need fixing or tweaking.

Michael

2 questions in regards to this.

1) Why are you calling it Gamma? You guys have made it pretty clear you still intend to need testing done therefore it should still be beta. Good luck getting people to test either way I won't be.
2) What is going to happen when the game launches and there are fixes or tweaks than need to go in, are we going to expect a wipe then too? I am sure buyers would really appreciate that.

I ask the second question because it seems so far when a major change is needed (and not even all the content is there) There is a wipe. Following this logic I can't see how you folks will be able to make these same types of changes when the game is live without doing a wipe. If you can do it without wiping then you should be able to do the same after gamma also since that would indicate its not needed.

I know there has been no offical word yet whats going on however this does not bode well for confidence levels when major updates cannot be done to the game without a wipe.
 
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I hope this is a (bad) joke?

There is always the chance of a wipe up till release..

Get over it!

Why?
I am a costumer for their company, I paid for a product expecting certain services. When these services is not delivered, if I feel that it has harmed the overall value of the product, I can ask for my money to be returned.

Please do not mistaken me, I do really like Elite Dangerous, especially when science fiction and technology is my preferred theme in games. There are of course some incomplete things in the game and you can wave "beta" excuse flag as much as you like. I don't mind using my free time to test these things and provide comprehensive feedback to the developers. However, from my own experience, I've seen far too many games getting tons of feedback during beta only for the game to skip as is. Including bad UI, difficult controls, bad balance and sometimes incomplete features.
Everybody on the forums was like "its only a beta, it will change, it will get better" but it never did, even after release people still had hope. My point being, why should I get emotionally invested into testing and providing feedback, only for it to be ignored.

Look at how people were complaining about outfitting being difficult to find. What has developers done to resolve the solution? Changed some UI elements, making it no doubt better, but the core problem remains. Do they know why people hate outfitting their ships this much? Players struggle finding components they want, but they struggle even more to understand what are they doing wrong.


tl;dr
No wipe after gamma was my incentive to get into the game before 16th of December. If the incentive is taken away because of "reasons", then so be it, I'll just wait until 16th of December and ask for my extra £15 back. I do understand the need to reset the universe, for the sake of stability, for the sake of giving everyone a chance to get on with the story (if there is any) and I don't mind a wipe as long as players get to keep their credits balance.
 
A couple of days ago I raised the possibility that there might need to be some form of wipe on release (or during gamma). This might be a full wipe, or it might be a partial one. That became complicated by people wanting a definitive answer, so the safe answer is yes. However the reality is until we've received enough feedback from gamma we don't know fully what might need fixing or tweaking.

Michael

As I said in another post, I am fine with maybe. I will still be playing ED and enjoying myself. If we get a full wipe on the 16th I will cry for a second (bye bye again Cobra MkIII!!!) but will be right back after it again immediately afterwards with decreasing levels of stupidity on my part. :D
 
I have no idea why this is all of a sudden a surprise for people - it has been accepted that if Gamma had / has any game breaking bugs in it, a wipe would be implemented. I've not visited the forums for a few months but this has been a known 'worst case scenario' since Alpha 1... FDEV aren't planning a wipe but if things aren't working for release then obviously they will need to fix them, ergo, a wipe...
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As Michael says, since people wanted a definitive answer, because "No wipe" cannot be guaranteed, the only safe answer has to be "Yes there will be a wipe", however this is not the case - FDEV hope there will not be one.
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To Michael, FDEV and all attending; Have a great time tonight! I will be participating remotely with a few beverages as my better half organised a w/e away visiting family, and after all the tickets had sold out, changed the dates otherwise I would be there as I'm only up the road in Peterborough :(
 
Why?
I am a costumer for their company, I paid for a product expecting certain services. When these services is not delivered, if I feel that it has harmed the overall value of the product, I can ask for my money to be returned.

Please do not mistaken me, I do really like Elite Dangerous, especially when science fiction and technology is my preferred theme in games. There are of course some incomplete things in the game and you can wave "beta" excuse flag as much as you like. I don't mind using my free time to test these things and provide comprehensive feedback to the developers. However, from my own experience, I've seen far too many games getting tons of feedback during beta only for the game to skip as is. Including bad UI, difficult controls, bad balance and sometimes incomplete features.
Everybody on the forums was like "its only a beta, it will change, it will get better" but it never did, even after release people still had hope. My point being, why should I get emotionally invested into testing and providing feedback, only for it to be ignored.

Look at how people were complaining about outfitting being difficult to find. What has developers done to resolve the solution? Changed some UI elements, making it no doubt better, but the core problem remains. Do they know why people hate outfitting their ships this much? Players struggle finding components they want, but they struggle even more to understand what are they doing wrong.


tl;dr
No wipe after gamma was my incentive to get into the game before 16th of December. If the incentive is taken away because of "reasons", then so be it, I'll just wait until 16th of December and ask for my extra £15 back. I do understand the need to reset the universe, for the sake of stability, for the sake of giving everyone a chance to get on with the story (if there is any) and I don't mind a wipe as long as players get to keep their credits balance.

You paid to get to play a pre-release version of the game. You are getting to do that. Any assumptions you made were your own.

Regarding the difficulty in finding components, the galaxy is getting bigger. Not everything is going to be right at your fingertips anymore in a much larger play area. You have been spoiled by the beta. You need to get over that.
 
I'm pretty sure Michael doesn't even know if they're gonna wipe at release.

I'm gonna pretend like there's no wipe... I'm going to start my new career tomorrow.

Who's with me?
 
Great? All i have from this answer is another "Maybe yes, maybe no"

Which is why I will play and since I do not do daft mistakes, if they wipe it will be my chance to experience how it feels to put all of your credits in a single cargo haul, then crash your expensive ship. :p
 
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