400 ARX per week max - How Come?

[Soron Silin]

Sorry you were not ment to take those prices litterally. I was throwing numbers as a general example of "point packs" used in the gaming industry for consumer manipulation. I should have been more clear.

So far, this is just the ground work for what I imagine is going to be much more store content in the future. Make sense for a low effort high return buisness decision. We will see what comes.

I've just done the spreadsheet. All the way up to $330, after the first 5000 Arx, if you buy the best-fitting set of Arx packs, the most that you will leave in your account is $3.05.
And, just to be completionist, that's:

• Up to £250, no more than £2.29
• Up to €280, no more than €2.67

That won't be the most cost-effective way of buying stuff; the bigger Arx packs are better value. But if you don't want Frontier sitting on your Arx, that's the way to do it.

I know your example was random, but it selects a random part of this massive table, so let's see how it looks.
Between $13 and $20, you can select sets of Arx packs with values of $14.12, $15.01 and $18.11

 

[Darkfyre99]

Hang on... You've got fifty four ships?

No, I'm basing that on the 38 ships in the game, the SRV, and an Imperial Fighter. 40 * 620 = 24,800. That would be 5 $3.99 packs, or about $20. Technically, I need 460 for the SRV and Imperial Fighter, but when I wrote that post, I wanted to make the math easier.

 

[CMDR Mayhem]

Your sense of entitlement is breathtaking. Today you get nothing. You want the cosmetic? You pay.

If you 2 choices: carry on as you are, pay or get nothing, or pay as normal, but get some free tokens over time just for being there, which would you choose?

Please note: I'm entitled and want everything for free, right now is not an option on the table. Just one of the two choices above.

So which?

For starters, I never have said I wanted anything read my posts. So you can drop calling me entitled. So quick to over react for rep. I actually agree with the arx cap and the time it takes.
What I dont agree on is the when people use the word "free" as if there is no other catch, and act like everyone who doesn't see it like them is entitled.
I see grinding for something in a video game as work, you dont(regardless of if it cost real life money). You think people are "entitled" because they dont want to pay real life money with their grind(your version of free). You think thats entitlement, while i think people that believe stuff that is "free" but have to work for it as naivete.

 

[Soron Silin]

For starters, I never have said I wanted anything read my posts. So you can drop calling me entitled. So quick to over react for rep. I actually agree with the arx cap and the time it takes.
What I dont agree on is the when people use the word "free" as if there is no other catch, and act like everyone who doesn't see it like them is entitled.
I see grinding for something in a video game as work, you dont(regardless of if it cost real life money). You think people are "entitled" because they dont want to pay real life money with their grind(your version of free). You think thats entitlement, while i think people that believe stuff that is "free" but have to work for it as naivete.

I don't intend to work for anything. I will play; I will get free stuff. In a month or two I might find that I have a free paint job.

What I am not going to do is sit in game for twenty hours a week grinding. It would destroy my enjoyment and at the end of the week I get 24p. There are better-paying gigs out there. I'll do one of them instead. Minimum wage is around £8, that's a paint job every 13 minutes. That's a whole better proposition than the 22 hours it would take to grind.

But if Frontier want to give me free stuff for playing their game, and I'm going to do it anyway, I'm up for that.

 

[CMDR Mayhem]

I don't intend to work for anything. I will play; I will get free stuff. In a month or two I might find that I have a free paint job.

What I am not going to do is sit in game for twenty hours a week grinding. It would destroy my enjoyment and at the end of the week I get 24p. There are better-paying gigs out there. I'll do one of them instead. Minimum wage is around £8, that's a paint job every 13 minutes. That's a whole better proposition than the 22 hours it would take to grind.

But if Frontier want to give me free stuff for playing their game, and I'm going to do it anyway, I'm up for that.

I think when people hear the word "work" in a videogame, they instantly think of it as a negative and assume the worst. I dont mind working towards something in a videogame. I have always taken my time with ED as rushing through the game would make me want to play it less. What I dont agree with is people using the definition(grind is not work) as a defense and call you entitled if you see it otherwise.

 

[sollisb]

I don't intend to work for anything. I will play; I will get free stuff. In a month or two I might find that I have a free paint job.

What I am not going to do is sit in game for twenty hours a week grinding. It would destroy my enjoyment and at the end of the week I get 24p. There are better-paying gigs out there. I'll do one of them instead. Minimum wage is around £8, that's a paint job every 13 minutes. That's a whole better proposition than the 22 hours it would take to grind.

But if Frontier want to give me free stuff for playing their game, and I'm going to do it anyway, I'm up for that.

More a case of Frontier giving you a few free, to get you involved. Once you're involved you now need more Arx, so will you grind for them or just pay for them with your cash?

If you decide to pay with cash, how many packs will you need? No doubt the packs are priced to be over the amount you need for a given item which keeps you attached, by virtue you have a few but not enough, left over, so you keep buying packs.

Anyone that believes these are 'free' really don't understand marketing ploys.


Again I ask, and it has yet to be answered... Why did we need this? What was wrong with paying for what I wanted without all the fuss?

 

[Soron Silin]

No doubt the packs are priced to be over the amount you need for a given item which keeps you attached, by virtue you have a few but not enough, left over, so you keep buying packs.

After the first 5000, which is due to bank charges, you never need to spend more than £2.29 over the price of the thing you want. I can show you all the combinations of up to two packs of each size if you want, all 728 of them from £2.99 all the way up to £250.94.

Again I ask, and it has yet to be answered... Why did we need this? What was wrong with paying for what I wanted without all the fuss?

1. We already had it, if we were playing on console. There has been virtual currency from the start there.
2. I want it. I want to buy single paint colours and not waste my money on five things out of six that I will never use. Someone else has said that he wants the same blue paint job on every ship he owns. That's around $20 rather than $200.
3. I save money. I can get eight colours that I like for less than I would have paid for six.

 

[Ezren]

Soros, bless your patience, but Sollisb has had that argument answered over and over and he's not going to stop making it.

Some people are determined to hate ARX, and anything that contradicts their views are pretty much ignored.

 

[Factabulous]

Soros, bless your patience, but Sollisb has had that argument answered over and over and he's not going to stop making it.

Some people are determined to hate ARX, and anything that contradicts their views are pretty much ignored.

Yeah, it's like the old FSS thread

1) Tell me why the FSS is acceptable
2) Reasons
1) Still no-one can tell me why it's acceptable

 

[Ezren]

Yeah, it's like the old FSS thread

1) Tell me why the FSS is acceptable
2) Reasons
1) Still no-one can tell me why it's acceptable

"Hey, those reasons only count if I acknowledge them! Which I won't!"

It goes from a discussion to reruns real quick.

 

[sollisb]

After the first 5000, which is due to bank charges, you never need to spend more than £2.29 over the price of the thing you want. I can show you all the combinations of up to two packs of each size if you want, all 728 of them from £2.99 all the way up to £250.94.

1. We already had it, if we were playing on console. There has been virtual currency from the start there.
2. I want it. I want to buy single paint colours and not waste my money on five things out of six that I will never use. Someone else has said that he wants the same blue paint job on every ship he owns. That's around $20 rather than $200.
3. I save money. I can get eight colours that I like for less than I would have paid for six.

I do know if I want to buy a paintkit and it's going to force me to buy a package that will leave ARX left over, I am not going to buy it. I never go into my local deli and pay more for my coffee than it's cost.

I want to pay for what I want, not pay for what I want but a little more that leave me spending more cash than I wanted to.

But yes as always, I accept that my problem.

 

[sollisb]

Soros, bless your patience, but Sollisb has had that argument answered over and over and he's not going to stop making it.

Some people are determined to hate ARX, and anything that contradicts their views are pretty much ignored.

Like I told you before, reply to the comment and drop the personal attacks. I won't tell you again.

 

[Backelaer]

I do know if I want to buy a paintkit and it's going to force me to buy a package that will leave ARX left over, I am not going to buy it. I never go into my local deli and pay more for my coffee than it's cost.

I want to pay for what I want, not pay for what I want but a little more that leave me spending more cash than I wanted to.

But yes as always, I accept that my problem.

Wouldn't this only be a problem if you only ever want to buy one item (or more, but less than the cheapest package)?
In all other cases you save a bit of Arx until you have the exact amount you need + cheapest pack to buy exactly what you want in the store.

 

[Factabulous]

In all other cases you save a bit of Arx until you have the exact amount you need + cheapest pack to buy exactly what you want in the store.

It does seem the easiest way to curtail a lot of these complaints is to allow purchase of arbitrary ARX above the minimum value. Would mean fdev having to actually work out a proper currency -> ARX conversion rate, but that wouldn't be a bad thing as they've had to fudge their manual numbers twice already.

People would still grumble about virtual currencies, but they should just holiday abroad more often and get used to how exchange rates work

 

[Darkfyre99]

I see grinding for something in a video game as work, you dont(regardless of if it cost real life money). You think people are "entitled" because they dont want to pay real life money with their grind(your version of free). You think thats entitlement, while i think people that believe stuff that is "free" but have to work for it as naivete.

When I find myself describing one of my past times as a “grind” or “work,” I find myself a new past time. My past times may require some degree of effort. They may require brain sweat or actual sweat. But I always have fun doing them.

If my typical week only yields me 36 ARX, then that’s 36 more ARX than not getting any at all. I’m not going to sacrifice work, family, friends, or other forms of fun for the sake of maxing out 32 cents worth of ARX. I value my free time much more than that.

Personally, I think estimates based on the live stream are wildly underestimating how many ARX we get in an hour. But either way, I’m not going to go out of my way to gain more.

 

[Ezren]

Like I told you before, reply to the comment and drop the personal attacks. I won't tell you again.

If you consider an accurate recounting of your commentary a "personal attack", perhaps you should consider contributing something more variable to the discussion.

Repeating your opinion is not a discussion.

 

[Factabulous]

If you consider an accurate recounting of your commentary a "personal attack", perhaps you should consider contributing something more variable to the discussion.

Repeating your opinion is not a discussion.

Some people think that anything you say in reply to them is a 'personal attack', anything they say to you is 'part of the conversation'. people are strange.

 

[Ezren]

Wouldn't this only be a problem if you only ever want to buy one item (or more, but less than the cheapest package)?
In all other cases you save a bit of Arx until you have the exact amount you need + cheapest pack to buy exactly what you want in the store.

Or just get the pack just under the cost of whatever cosmetic, and earn toward it while playing. There are solutions, but..

 

[Commander Biscuit]

If you see someone complaining about getting something for free, on a game without a subscription fee, you just might be on the Elite Dangerous forums.

 

[TheSisko]

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